Is Lorentz invariance is true in curved spacetime?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of Lorentz invariance in the context of curved spacetime, particularly how it relates to the definitions and transformations associated with the Lorentz group. Participants explore the implications of curved geometry on the invariance of physical laws and the representation of tensors.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether Lorentz invariance holds in curved spacetime, noting that distances are defined differently than in Minkowski space.
  • Another participant asserts that Lorentz invariance is locally true, as the metric around any point can approximate the Minkowski metric in a sufficiently small region.
  • A different perspective introduces the concept of tangent spaces at each point in curved spacetime, where momentum vectors reside.
  • It is mentioned that curved spacetime is locally Minkowski, allowing for a local Lorentz group among coordinate diffeomorphisms that leave an event point invariant.
  • Participants discuss the importance of tensor fields in general relativity, emphasizing that they are used to express physical laws in a way that respects local Lorentz invariance.
  • There is a reference to the mathematical complexity involved in expressing invariance in general coordinates, particularly through the use of quadratic forms and metric tensors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that Lorentz invariance is locally applicable in curved spacetime, but there are varying interpretations and explanations regarding its implications and the mathematical framework involved. The discussion remains open with multiple viewpoints presented.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the locality of Lorentz invariance and the dependence on the choice of coordinates. The discussion does not resolve the complexities of expressing these concepts mathematically in general terms.

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Hello,
I am re-reading a book about quantum physics and general relativity. To introduce representation of the lorentz group, they explain the definition of lorentz group as the group of transformation that let x² + y² ... -t² unchanged.
But in cuved space the distance is not the same as in minkowsky space, it's the integral of the metric * dx. Is the lorentz invariance still aviable ? and the related decomposition ?
 
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kroni said:
Hello,
I am re-reading a book about quantum physics and general relativity. To introduce representation of the lorentz group, they explain the definition of lorentz group as the group of transformation that let x² + y² ... -t² unchanged.
But in curved space the distance is not the same as in minkowsky space, it's the integral of the metric * dx. Is the lorentz invariance still aviable ? and the related decomposition ?

Lorentz invariance is still locally true - the metric around any given point is arbitrarily close to the Minkowski metric within a sufficiently small area around that point.
 
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Another way of putting it is that there's a tangent space at each point. Things like momentum vectors live in the tangent space. This paper is also nice: Nowik and Katz, Differential geometry via infinitesimal displacements, http://arxiv.org/abs/1405.0984
 
Curved space-time is locally Minkowski and so there is a local lorentz group among the group of coordinate diffeomorphisms leaving an event point invariant. There is local Lorentz invariance etc. This is why in GR you work with Tensor *fields*. (tensor valued functions of position. (tensors being more general representations of the local orthogonal group, i.e. the Lorentz group))

As you noted, the local Lorentz group leaves the differential quantity ds^2=dx^2 + dy^2 + dz^2 -dt^2 unchanged... that is provided your coordinates are orthonormal with respect to the local space-time geometry. To be more general we express this invariant as a quadratic form of the differentials in whatever coordinates you are using and the quadratic form coefficients are the components of your metric tensor.

As you can imagine the math gets a bit hairier to express all this in general.
 
Tanks for your answer ! I under stand it !
 

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