Is My Work Correct? How to Deal with the Dependent Voltage Source?

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The discussion revolves around solving a circuit analysis problem involving a dependent voltage source. Participants explore various cases related to load impedance and maximum power transfer, including calculations for different load configurations and the application of Thevenin's theorem.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a detailed attempt at solving the problem, including calculations for Thevenin impedance and maximum power for three different cases involving varying load conditions.
  • Another participant suggests that using the mesh-current method may yield different results compared to the source transformation approach used by the first participant.
  • There is a discussion about the appropriateness of using source transformation, with one participant arguing that it may not be valid due to the presence of dependent sources and the need to maintain the impedance associated with the current Ix.
  • A later reply questions whether it is possible to treat the dependent source as independent after determining Ix, indicating uncertainty about the methodology.

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Participants express differing opinions on the methods used to analyze the circuit, particularly regarding the validity of source transformation in the presence of dependent sources. There is no consensus on the best approach to take.

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Participants have not reached a resolution on the correct method for analyzing the circuit, and there are unresolved questions about the implications of using different analysis techniques.

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hoe to deal with the dependent voltage source?


Homework Statement



For the following circuit vs = 100 cos(1000 t + 20o) V.
Case 1:
If the load impedance for the circuit is adjusted until maximum average power is
delivered to the load:
a) Find the impedance that should be connected in this case.
b) Find the maximum average power delivered to the load in this case.
Case 2:
If the load is a pure resistive:
a) Find the value of the load resistor that will maximize the average power in the
load.
b) Find the maximum average power delivered to the load in this case.
Case 3:
If the load is replaced with a series combination of 5 Ohms resistor and a 5 μF capacitor
and the one Ohm resistor is replaced with a box called Load2.
a) Find the impedance that should be connected to the location of load2 to
maximize the average power in Load2.
b) Find the maximum average power delivered to the load in this case.
c) If Load2 is a pure resistive element, what should be the value of this load to
maximize the average power in Load2 and what is the value of the maximum
average power in this situation.


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The Attempt at a Solution


Case I:
*The value of the 10 mH conductor = ωjl = 1000*10m = j10Ω
*The value of the 3 mH conductor = ωjl = 1000*3m = j3Ω

A)we have to find Thivenin impedance :
- Applying KVL in the first loop to find (ix):
- 100∟20+(25+j10) ix + 5 ix =0
(30+j10) ix =- 100∟20 → i_x=3.162+j0.1=3.162∟1.8 A
→ The dependent voltage source = 15.8∟1.8 V
- Using source transformation:
Current source 1 = 3.162∟1.6 A & parallel to (25+j10) Ω impedance
& Current source 2 = 15.8∟1.8 A & parallel to 1 Ω resistor
- combining parallel impedances to find equivalent impedance Z_th:
(25+j10) ║ 1 ║ j3
→ 1/Z=1/((25+j10))+1/10+1/( j3) →Z_th=0.6∟13= 0.585+j0.135 Ω
→ Z_l= Z_th^* = 0.6∟-13= 0.585-j0.135 Ω
Which will gives maximum power.

B) finding the complete Thevenin circuit to find the value of the power:
- combining parallel current sources:
3.162∟1.6 + 15.8∟1.8 = 19∟4.39 = 19+j1.46 A
- source transformation again to have Thevnin equivalent circuit:
→ V_th= 11.4∟17.4 V
→ P_max=〖(I/√2)〗^2*R_th = 〖(19/√2)〗^2*0.585 = 105.6 W

Case II:
A) The value of the load resistor = √((R_th^2 )+(X_th^2 ))= √(〖(0.585)〗^2+〖(0.135)〗^2 )= 0.6 Ω

B) The maximum power = (V_m^2)⁄(8R_th )= 〖(11.4)〗^2⁄((8)(0.6))=27 W

Case III :
*The value of the 5µF capacitor = (-j )/ωc= - j200Ω

A) we have to find the Thevinin equivalent circuit:
- using parallel/series combinations:
(5-j200) ║ j3 = (j3(5-j200))/(j3+(5-j200)) = 3.04∟89.9 = 0.01+j3.04 Ω
- using source transformation:
Current source 1 = 3.162∟1.6 A & parallel to (25+j10) Ω loud.
& Current source 2 = 5.197∟-88.2A & parallel to (0.01+j3.04) Ω loud.

- combining parallel impedances to find equivalent impedance Z_th
(25+j10) ║ (0.01+j3.04)
→Z_th=((25+j10)(0.01+j3.04) )/((25+j10)+(0.01+j3.04)) →Z_th= 2.9∟84.1 Ω
→ Z_l=2.9∟-84 which will give the maximum power.
B)Finding the complete Thivenin circuit to find the value of the power:
- combining parallel current sources:
3.162∟1.6 + 5.197∟-88.2 = 6.1∟-56.9 A
- Source transformation again to have Thevnin equivalent circuit:
→ V_th= 17.69∟27.2 V
→ P_max= (V_m^2)⁄(8R_th )= 〖(17.69)〗^2⁄((8)(0.298))= 131.26W
C) The value of the load resistor = √((R_th^2 )+(X_th^2 ))= √(〖(0.298)〗^2+〖(2.885)〗^2 )= 2.9 Ω
 
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you should attach the picture of the circuit ( I attached for you )

I obtained different answers

you should use mesh-current method not the source transformation
 

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Zayer...
Are you a KFUPM student ?

but why i can't use source transformation?
 
I am your classmate

Because you will end up with independent source , dependent source and impedance which it not Thévenin equivalent circuit
Also,you have to keep the impedance with the current Ix
 
OMG!
that means i brought the eid!

but
can't we use it as independent source after finding Ix ?
 

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