Is Science Limited in Explaining the Universe's Origins?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of the universe's creation and the existence of a supreme being. Participants express skepticism about scientific explanations that rely on statistical models, arguing that unanswered questions remain abundant. The idea that a supreme being initiated the universe is debated, with questions raised about the origin of such a being. The conversation touches on the complexity of existence and the human tendency to seek answers to profound questions about the universe's beginnings. Humor and sarcasm are prevalent, particularly in references to hell and the absurdity of certain beliefs. The dialogue also includes playful banter about societal issues, religious education, and the nature of belief, with some participants sharing personal anecdotes and critiques of religious interpretations. Overall, the thread reflects a mix of philosophical inquiry, humor, and skepticism towards both scientific and religious narratives.
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HA! To believe that the universe was created and "runs" via some infinite intellegence if you would prefer to call it need not be just dismissed by saying it can not be discussed here because it is "religious!".
FACTS are FACTS, for every x questions the so-called scientists answer with some statistical curve fit does it not seem clear there is about x^n at least new ones that they find that they have that remain unanswered?
Seems to me if I am going to have the faith that everything in the universe started out from something smaller than a pea I for one need to have some idea that someONE had the idea AND POWER to start it out THAT WAY!
Are you pile it higher and deeper guys just getting mad because you have to justify your research funding or something? An open mind? wow.
LOVE and PEACE,
and,
PEACE and LOVE,
(kirk) kirk gregory czuhai
http://www.altelco.net/~lovekgc/kirksresume.htm
 
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New PFer Kirk ncontributed to Chronos' thread Cosmology for Dummies; however, his most recent post seems to me to belong here.
 
Do you have an intelligent point to make, Kirk, or are you just going to shout at all the nasty scientists until they submit to the will of whatever deity you're banging for?
 
It ain't philosophy either, so off it goes.

Here you go, Evo. :biggrin:
 
Kirk Gregory Czuhai said:
someONE had the idea AND POWER to start it out THAT WAY!
One quick question, all-knowing one, then I'll leave you alone. If some supreme being created everything, who created him?
 
An oldie but a goodie - So where did the "someone" originate from? That always keeps our three dimensional, lack-of-infinity-comprehension minds busy.
 
Tom Mattson said:
It ain't philosophy either, so off it goes.

Here you go, Evo. :biggrin:
Ah yes, into the PF circular file. :rolleyes:
 
Evo said:
Ah yes, into the PF circular file. :rolleyes:
I thought that was TD?
 
Integral said:
I thought that was TD?
TD is more of a hazardous waste containment area. :-p
 
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well seems for at least the time being we have some going to HELL!
peace and love,
and,
love and peace,
(kirk) kirk gregory czuhai
 
  • #11
Danger said:
One quick question, all-knowing one, then I'll leave you alone. If some supreme being created everything, who created him?

Blasphemer! :biggrin:

That's pretty much the question I have always had too. How is it that people can believe some supreme being has always existed without question as to how that supreme being came into existence, yet can't fathom that something far less complex than a supreme being may have been at the very beginning of everything? I'll admit that the concept of complete nothingness boggles my mind, and the concept that something came from nothing, at least once, boggles my mind even further, but simply ignoring the question by substituting the concept of a supreme being for whatever else came from nothing is even more unsettling to me. It doesn't answer the big question of how everything began at all. A supreme being is still something.
 
  • #12
Kirk Gregory Czuhai said:
well seems for at least the time being we have some going to HELL!
peace and love,
and,
love and peace,
(kirk) kirk gregory czuhai

I always love the incongruity of such statements. "I wish you peace, now go to Hell." Yep, that's love for ya! :-p
 
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Kirk Gregory Czuhai said:
well seems for at least the time being we have some going to HELL!

Ooh boy!

I'll bring the marshmallows... who's got the chocolate and graham crackers?
 
  • #14
enigma said:
Ooh boy!

I'll bring the marshmallows... who's got the chocolate and graham crackers?
Just search Evo. No! Wait a sec... let me do that.
 
  • #15
S***, I love this stuff! About the only worthwhile contribution to society that I've ever made in my life is that I'm the guy who got mandatory religious education kicked out of the Ontario school system. It was one hell of a fight, but we beat the bastards. :biggrin:
 
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Danger said:
S***, I love this stuff! About the only worthwhile contribution to society that I've ever made in my life is that I'm the guy who got mandatory religious education kicked out of the Ontario school system. It was one hell of a fight, but we beat the bastards. :biggrin:
Congratulations for fighting the good fight and winning.

You may not be such a bad old coot after all. :smile:
 
  • #17
enigma said:
Ooh boy!

I'll bring the marshmallows... who's got the chocolate and graham crackers?

Woo hoo! I've got the chocolate. Now we just need the graham crackers.

Remember, the party is still on level 6!

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=53873

(Now tell us something we don't already know. :-p)
 
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Integral said:
Congratulations for fighting the good fight and winning.

You may not be such a bad old coot after all. :smile:
Who you callin' old, Willis?! :wink:

I can only take credit for instigating it, in conjunction with a classmate. My father was a Unitarian-Universalist preacher, and his was chairman of the church board. We told our respective parents that we'd had it with the BS, and please do something about it. They tried at first just to have Doug and I exempted, but the school wouldn't hear of it. So they convened the board, took on Alan Borovoy who was head of the Canadian Civil Liberties Union, and sued the Essex County school board. They got back-up from the provincial board, and the fight was on. Ended up in the Supreme Court of Canada, and they lost big time. This was in about '68 or '69.
 
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Kirk Gregory Czuhai said:
well seems for at least the time being we have some going to HELL!
peace and love,
and,
love and peace,
(kirk) kirk gregory czuhai

Too cute.
I have no idea who you guys are, but I will buy crackers for all.
Peace and love and burn in hell, now, y'all.
 
  • #20
Kirk, watch more documentaries.
 
  • #21
katelynndevere said:
Peace and love and burn in hell, now, y'all.
Damn straight!:biggrin: That's where all the parties will be! Who'd want to go to that other place? It'll be full of party-pooping Christian conservatives.
 
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Bladibla said:
Kirk, watch more documentaries.


You mean televangalists don't count?
 
  • #23
franznietzsche said:
You mean televangalists don't count?
All they can count is money... other people's.
 
  • #24
Danger said:
All they can count is money... other people's.

Kinda like the democrats. :-p

As opposed to the republicans where all they can count is their own money.
 
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franznietzsche said:
Kinda like the democrats. :-p

As opposed to the republicans where all they can count is their own money.
They actually combine the worst traits of both. Their only goal to make your money theirs and then count it.
 
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My comments on this thread in general are that twas brillig, and the slithy toves Did gyre and gimble in the wabe: All mimsy were the borogoves, And the mome raths outgrabe. "Beware the Jabberwock, my son! The jaws that bite, the claws that catch! Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun The frumious Bandersnatch!" He took his vorpal sword in hand: Long time the manxome foe he sought -- So rested he by the Tumtum tree, And stood awhile in thought. And, as in uffish thought he stood, The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame, Came whiffling through the tulgey wood, And burbled as it came! One, two! One, two! And through and through The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! He left it dead, and with its head He went galumphing back. "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. Twas brillig, and the slithy toves Did gyre and gimble in the wabe; All mimsy were the borogoves, And the mome raths outgrabe.
 
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Ivan Seeking said:
My comments on this thread in general are that twas brillig, and the slithy toves Did gyre and gimble in the wabe: All mimsy were the borogoves, And the mome raths outgrabe. "Beware the Jabberwock, my son! The jaws that bite, the claws that catch! Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun The frumious Bandersnatch!" He took his vorpal sword in hand: Long time the manxome foe he sought -- So rested he by the Tumtum tree, And stood awhile in thought. And, as in uffish thought he stood, The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame, Came whiffling through the tulgey wood, And burbled as it came! One, two! One, two! And through and through The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! He left it dead, and with its head He went galumphing back. "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. Twas brillig, and the slithy toves Did gyre and gimble in the wabe; All mimsy were the borogoves, And the mome raths outgrabe.
Oh sure... he can't spell 'genius', but he gets through that without a typo... :rolleyes:



edit: ooops! :redface: That was Integral... sorry... damned old guys all look alike...
 
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Ivan Seeking said:
My comments on this thread in general are that twas brillig, and the slithy toves Did gyre and gimble in the wabe: All mimsy were the borogoves, And the mome raths outgrabe. "Beware the Jabberwock, my son! The jaws that bite, the claws that catch! Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun The frumious Bandersnatch!" He took his vorpal sword in hand: Long time the manxome foe he sought -- So rested he by the Tumtum tree, And stood awhile in thought. And, as in uffish thought he stood, The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame, Came whiffling through the tulgey wood, And burbled as it came! One, two! One, two! And through and through The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! He left it dead, and with its head He went galumphing back. "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. Twas brillig, and the slithy toves Did gyre and gimble in the wabe; All mimsy were the borogoves, And the mome raths outgrabe.

Was it just my school, or did all kids have to memorize that in Jr. High? I loved it. Just a fun one to say. :biggrin:
 
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Moonbear said:
Was it just my school, or did all kids have to memorize that in Jr. High?
They don't have Jr. High in Ontario. Public school 1-8; high school 9-13. And this is way too pleasant for that system. We got 'Lord of the Flies', 'Willard', and other light-hearted prose. I think the least depressing thing we read was 'Catch-22'.
 
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Moonbear said:
Was it just my school, or did all kids have to memorize that in Jr. High? I loved it. Just a fun one to say. :biggrin:

After several years of observation, Tsu and I decided that our largest dog galumphed. The proper order is walking, galumphing, trotting, cantering, and galloping. :biggrin:
 
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Ivan Seeking said:
After several years of observation, Tsu and I decided that our largest dog galumphed. The proper order is walking, galumphing, trotting, cantering, and galloping. :biggrin:

Galumphing is also what dogs do when they're at that awkward age between puppy and adult (doggy teenagers?) when they have big feet and skinny legs and can't decide if they want to walk or bounce. :biggrin:
 
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Ivan Seeking said:
Tsu and I decided that our largest dog galumphed.
I thought only hephalumps did that. :confused:
 
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Where did Kirk go?

No worries because we will see him in hell. :rolleyes:
 
  • #34
JasonRox said:
Where did Kirk go?
Don't you ever watch 'Charmed'? Don't invoke his name, you fool! It might bring him back! :eek:
 
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I looked at this thread and saw how many pages of posts had occurred during my absence, so had to take a look--thank goodness it was just the usual "thread jacking."
 
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SOS2008 said:
thank goodness it was just the usual "thread jacking."
I've grown to consider 'thread-jacking' a fun sport, but this one was essential for the survival of civilization. :approve:
 
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Kirk Gregory Czuhai said:
well seems for at least the time being we have some going to HELL!

*shakes in boots*
 
  • #38
infidel said:
Kirk Gregory Czuhai said:
well seems for at least the time being we have some going to HELL!
peace and love,
and,
love and peace,
(kirk) kirk gregory czuhai
*shakes in boots*
I honestly don't know if this was the most annoying hoax I've ever encountered, or if the little freakazoid really believes himself. :confused:
 
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http://www.hell2u.com/about.php

Ive been to Hell , its near Jackson Michigan.
 
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hypatia said:
http://www.hell2u.com/about.php

Ive been to Hell , its near Jackson Michigan.

I've been there too and got lost there, at night. Kept going in circles somehow and couldn't get out. Talk about an omen! :devil:
 
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I thought only hephalumps did that.

Nope, they steal my hunny when I'm dreaming.
 
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hypatia said:
http://www.hell2u.com/about.php

Ive been to Hell , its near Jackson Michigan.
You are so wrong - you clearly have never been to southern Mississippi.
 
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russ_watters said:
You are so wrong - you clearly have never been to southern Mississippi.
I was about to say, before you jumped on it, that anything with the word "Jackson" in it must be cursed. I don't know about that Florida town, though.
 
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Hell is located in Nevada, near Sparks. In fact, you can see Sparks from Hell.
 
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Ivan Seeking said:
Hell is located in Nevada, near Sparks. In fact, you can see Sparks from Hell.

You mean there's more than one Hell? Hmm..Nevada sounds better than Michigan to me. At least in NV, I can take some side trips to Vegas! :biggrin:
 
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Moonbear said:
You mean there's more than one Hell? Hmm..Nevada sounds better than Michigan to me. At least in NV, I can take some side trips to Vegas! :biggrin:
It somehow seems appropriate to have Hell so close to Vegas. :-p
 
  • #47
Have you seen the lastest Vegas slogan?

What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas.

They are actually selling the idea that you can go to Vegas and act as if there were no consequences. Funny thing is, some guys who make a living by traveling have something known as the code of the road: "What goes on the road stays on the road."

[edit] Whoops, I think I broke the code by telling about it. Oh well, I'm done traveling. :biggrin:
 
  • #48
russ_watters said:
You are so wrong - you clearly have never been to southern Mississippi.
:smile:
Ivan Seeking said:
Hell is located in Nevada, near Sparks. In fact, you can see Sparks from Hell.
:smile:
Moonbear said:
You mean there's more than one Hell? Hmm..Nevada sounds better than Michigan to me. At least in NV, I can take some side trips to Vegas! :biggrin:
Yes. In Michigan, that's when "hell freezes over" and southern Mississippi is the "gnawing and gnashing" hell. Nevada is the more traditional "fire and brimstone" hell. There's another hell, the one where bats fly out of...can't remember...
 
  • #49
Andre said:
Nope, they steal my hunny when I'm dreaming.
If there's any hunny-stealing to be done around here, I'll have you know, it'll be done by me. (By the way, what's she look like?)
 
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SOS2008 said:
There's another hell, the one where bats fly out of...
That, I believe, would be Artman's belfry. :biggrin:
 

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