Is Special Relativity Testable?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the testability of special relativity (SR), particularly focusing on the implications of measuring the one-way speed of light. Participants explore the theoretical and experimental aspects of SR, including the conditions under which its predictions can be tested and the definitions involved in such measurements.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that SR's prediction regarding the one-way speed of light is crucial for testing the theory, specifically that all inertial observers should measure the speed as c using two clocks.
  • Others contend that the one-way speed of light is defined to be c, making it untestable independently of clock synchronization methods.
  • One participant highlights that the invariance of the one-way speed is not established through experimental means but rather through definitions related to clock synchronization.
  • Another participant suggests that SR can be tested through various other means, including the two-way speed of light, which is more commonly verified in experiments.
  • Some participants express that the one-way speed case remains an open question, while others assert that it is closed due to the definitions set by Einstein's synchronization convention.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of clock transport methods on the measured speed of light, with some asserting that different forms of transport yield different results.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the testability of special relativity, with multiple competing views remaining regarding the significance of the one-way speed of light and the definitions involved in its measurement.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reveals limitations in the assumptions made about clock synchronization and the definitions of speed in the context of SR. The relationship between the one-way and two-way speed of light is also a point of contention.

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The basic premise of special relativity is that absolute motion is not detectable. Experimentally, this involves only two general cases, (i) detection via mechanical objects and (ii) detection involving light rays. Case ii readily resolves into two sub-cases, ii-a, detection involving round-trip light rays, and ii-b, detection involving one-way rays.Since cases (i) and (ii-a) were experimentally closed prior to special relativity (SR), this left only case ii-b for SR to actively pertain to.SR's prediction in the one-way light speed case is invariance.Specifically, SR predicts that all inertial observers must obtain the exact value c, and only that value, when using two clocks to measure the one-way speed of light. Since this does not happen in the case of slow clock transport, we can immediately eliminate that case. This leaves only the case of two always-mutually-at-rest clocks (in any given inertial frame).This raises the important question, How can SR be tested in that case? That is, how can an inertial observer use two clocks to experimentally measure light's one-way speed?
 
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dbkooper said:
Specifically, SR predicts that all inertial observers must obtain the exact value c, and only that value, when using two clocks to measure the one-way speed of light.

Since this does not happen in the case of slow clock transport, we can immediately eliminate that case.
What is it that doesn't happen?
 
dbkooper said:
The basic premise of special relativity is that absolute motion is not detectable.

That is only one among many premises. As has been said already, SR is easily testable.
 
dbkooper said:
The basic premise of special relativity is that absolute motion is not detectable. [..]

SR's prediction in the one-way light speed case is invariance.

Not exactly, and those things are related. The one-way speed is made equal to the two-way speed by means of clock synchronization - no "absolute" or "true" synchronization can be measured. The two-way speed is predicted to be invariant between inertial frames.

[..] This raises the important question, How can SR be tested in that case? That is, how can an inertial observer use two clocks to experimentally measure light's one-way speed?
That is not very useful, except to test for consistency or anomalities. Typically SR can be tested by verifying the two-way speed (and many other tests, see the FAQ).

Compare also this discussion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-way_speed_of_light
 
Of course, SR predictions are numerous and can be tested/checked in many ways. It isn't some esoteric theory like string theory
 
DaleSpam said:
Special relativity is eminently testable:
http://www.edu-observatory.org/physics-faq/Relativity/SR/experiments.html

Your restriction to tests of the one way speed of light is entirely artificial. Furthermore, the one way speed of light is c by definition. It isn't something which can be tested independently and it can simply be defined to be true.

The one-way case is the only open case because we have Einstein's word that it could "go positive" given absolutely synchronous clocks. He wrote, "The velocity of propagation of a ray of light relative to the carriage thus comes out smaller than c." (This observer used the clocks of classical physics to measure the speed of a departing ray of light.) http://www.bartleby.com/173/7.html

(FYI: It is untrue that Einstein's two results conflicted with the principle of relativity because these were *not* two different general laws as he claimed, but simply two specific instances of the *same* law, namely, c±v. But even this matters not; all that really matters is the fact that absolutely synchronous clocks will not get invariance for the one-way speed of light. What does this say about "simply defining invariance to be true"?)
 
ghwellsjr said:
What is it that doesn't happen?

What does not happen is that no form of clock transport (slow, very slow, very, very slow, etc.) results in exactly c. Indeed, each form of transport results in a different value!
 
dbkooper said:
The one-way case is the only open case
The one way case is not open. Einstein's synchronization convention ensures that the one way speed is c, by definition. It is not a matter of experiment, just a definition of what it means for two clocks to be synchronized.

Anyway, the question has been answered. Yes, SR is testable. The thread is closed.
 

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