Is Splitting the Interval a Valid Approach to Prove Uniform Continuity?

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The discussion revolves around proving uniform continuity of a function by splitting the interval into two parts: a closed bounded interval and an unbounded interval. The original poster is exploring whether the unbounded interval can be shown to be Lipschitz continuous based on the behavior of the function at infinity.

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  • The original poster attempts to prove uniform continuity by splitting the interval and showing Lipschitz continuity in the unbounded part. Some participants question the necessity of proving Lipschitz continuity and suggest alternative approaches involving direct estimates.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's ideas, providing feedback on the validity of the proposed approach. Some guidance has been offered regarding alternative methods, but there is no explicit consensus on the best path forward.

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There is a discussion about the implications of the limit behavior of the function at infinity and its relationship to uniform continuity. The original poster expresses uncertainty about their hypothesis and seeks clarification on the converse statement regarding uniform continuity.

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So I've thought of a few ideas on how to prove this, but only one so far that I've sort of figured out what to do. What I want to do is split the interval up in two, so from [0,b] and from (b, ∞), for some b in the reals. Now since f is continuous on a close bounded interval [0,b], it is uniformly continuous in that interval, so now I have to show it is uniformly continuous in (b, ∞). What I thought I could do was show that this interval is Lipschitz continuous since limx->∞f(x)=A...right now I just intuitively believe this to be true, I am trying to prove it. I said suppose f wasn't lipschitz continuous in (b, ∞) for any b, then there doesn't exist a k>0 such that |f(x)-f(u)|<k|x-u| for all x,u in (b, ∞). Then by the archimedian property, there exists x,u in (b, ∞) such that |f(x)-f(u)|> M for all M in the naturals. Now what I want to show is that this implies that there is an c in (b, ∞) such that limx->cf(x)= ∞, which is impossible since f is continuous in this interval...but I am having trouble doing this.

Can anyone help? And does anyone know for sure if what I am doing is right? if my hypothesis that there is an interval (b, ∞) for some b such that the interval is Lipschitz continuous is wrong, I would like to know!

By the way, for the converse, I said that f(x)=x is uniformly continuous on [0, ∞), but limx->∞f(x)=∞, so the converse isn't true.

Thanks!
 
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So you want to prove that there exists a c such that \lim_{x\rightarrow c}{f(x)}=\infty. I don't really see why you want this, but what you are trying to do isn't always true, sadly...

Take for example the function f(x)=\sin(x^2)... This isn't uniformly continuous and not Lipschitz, but there also does not exist a c such that \lim_{x\rightarrow c}{f(x)}=\infty.
But note that this f does not contradict our theorem, since the limit of x does not exist...
 
Hmm, I'm not sure of your approach, but I think there is a much simpler route, namely make direct estimates, that doesn't involve showing Lipschitz continuity, which is a stronger condition.

Take e > 0. The basic idea is that the limit at infinity imposes a growth condition, so that for all x > M, some M > 0, |f(x) - A| < e/3. Now you already have the correct idea for how to deal with [0, M], namely that compactness gives us uniform continuity on this interval. It remains to show that the delta you obtain from the uniform continuity condition over [0,M] works on [0, infinity), and this should just be casework (consider possibilities for |x-y| when x, y are chosen to be nonnegative).
 
No sorry (to micromass), I think you misunderstood. What I am trying to prove is that if |f(x)-f(u)|> M for all M in the naturals, then there is a c in (b, ∞) such that limx->cf(x)= ∞...in your example you couldn't find an an x,u such that |f(x)-f(u)|> M for all M in the naturals. I believe if I can prove this then I can prove my problem.

Snipez90:Ok thanks! I'll try that.
 
Yes, you are correct. But in your problem, you can find for every M an x,u such that |f(x)-f(u)|>M. But I don't think these x and u are necessairily the same for every M...
 
Yes, that seems mighty fine :cool:
 
And did I understand what I'm suppose to do for the converse statement right? as in f(x)=x disproves it?
 
Yes, f(x)=sin(x) disproves the converse statement.
 
I said f(x)=x actually, but I take it it's right. Thanks!
 
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Oh sorry, I meant f(x)=x. Sometimes my hands write crazy things
 

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