Is Substitution Effective in Solving These Fractional Equations?

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The discussion revolves around solving two fractional equations involving variables x and y. Participants explore substitution methods, initially attempting to define p and q based on the fractions but struggle to establish a relationship between them. Suggestions include transforming the equations using polar coordinates and multiplying components to simplify the expressions. A key insight is that using alternative substitutions can lead to simpler forms for p and q, facilitating the solution process. The conversation highlights the complexity of the equations, suggesting they may exceed typical college algebra levels.
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Homework Statement

\frac {xy}{x+2y} + \frac {x+2y}{xy} = 2

\frac {xy} {x-2y} + \frac {x-2y} {xy} = 4

The attempt at a solution
I tried replacing
(\frac {xy} {x+2y} = p, say and
\frac {xy} {x-2y} = q,

say is getting nowhere as i can't find a relationship between the two.
 
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have you tried the "hard way" ?
 
siddharthmishra19 said:
Homework Statement

\frac {xy}{ x+2y} + \frac { x+2y }{xy} = 2

\frac {xy} {x-2y} + \frac {x-2y} {xy} = 4

The attempt at a solution
I tried replacing
(\frac {xy} {x+2y} = p, say and
(xy/(x-2y)) = q,

say is getting nowhere as i can't find a relationship between the two.
If I had the ambition and initiative, I would try changing x and y into polar coordinates and attempt solving ... but I just do not have that much energy to try. What kinds of methods are used in that kind of equation to solve? That must be beyond the intermediate, even beyond the "College Algebra" level.
 
Try multiplying each componet of the first expression by

\frac {x - 2y} {x-2y}

and the second by

\frac {x+ 2y} {x+2y}
 
Your substitutions do give a short cut. Use the first equation to show p=1. Use the second to show q=two roots of a simple quadratic. Now notice 1/p+1/q=2/y. Now it's just slinging square roots around.
 
Through a large number of steps, I obtained
\[<br /> - x^3 - 2x^3 + 2x^2 y - 4xy^2 + 8y^3 = 0<br /> \]<br />I am not sure if this fits any useful form; it seems not to fit any.
 
siddharthmishra19 said:
The attempt at a solution
I tried replacing
(\frac {xy} {x+2y} = p, say and
\frac {xy} {x-2y} = q,

say is getting nowhere as i can't find a relationship between the two.

Rather, try using the substitution as :\ \ \frac {x+2y}{xy} = p
and \ \ \frac {x-2y}{xy} = q and then simplify. You should notice that now p+q and p-q is much simpler to substitute in terms of x and y.
 
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