Is the coil in a car's ignition system functioning as a transformer?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the functioning of the coil in a car's ignition system and whether it operates similarly to a transformer. Participants explore the concepts of energy conservation, voltage, current, and electron flow within this context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the coil in a car's ignition system acts like a transformer, using coiled copper wire to increase voltage for the spark plugs, questioning the source of energy and electron flow.
  • Another participant emphasizes the conservation of energy in transformers, stating that power remains constant and can be expressed in various ways through voltage and current.
  • A different participant challenges the initial claim about the coil's function, clarifying that a transformer maintains constant energy while increasing voltage, which results in fewer electrons per second on the secondary side compared to the primary side.
  • A later reply expresses gratitude for the responses received, indicating engagement with the discussion.

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Participants express differing views on the operation of the coil as a transformer, with some supporting the analogy while others challenge it, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in understanding the energy source and the specifics of electron flow in this context, as well as potential misunderstandings about the nature of transformers and their operation in direct current scenarios.

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like in a car when electrons flow through the battery to the coil , the coil is like a transformer using coiled copper wire to up the voltage to give the spark plugs a hotter spark. I am not sure where this energy is coming from , so are we actually getting more electrons to flow per second and after it goes through the coil . does the coil allow it to draw more current from the battery.
 
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Basically, all that matters is that total energy is conserved so energy per secons is :

P=U*I so P is a constant in a transformer ( at least consider it so)

If so then IF p=5W there are an infinity of possibilities for U and I. Like U=5 I =1 or I=5 U=1 etc.

That is what happens in a transformer, energy is the same it is just expressed differently.

For different ways transformers can be made consult wikipedia.

I"ve made the exemple in direct current for easy understanding :P
 
cragar said:
I am not sure where this energy is coming from , so are we actually getting more electrons to flow per second and after it goes through the coil . does the coil allow it to draw more current from the battery.
You have the wrong idea about what a transformer does: A transformer keeps the energy constant while increasing the voltage, which means fewer electrons per second going through the secondary side than the primary side.
 
i see thanks for your answers
 

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