Is the ketogenic diet a scientifically proven diet?

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The discussion centers around the ketogenic diet and its effectiveness as a scientifically proven method for weight loss. Participants explore various dietary approaches, including the ketogenic diet, low-fat diets, and general principles of dieting, while considering the role of processed foods and portion control.

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  • Some participants question whether the ketogenic diet is scientifically proven for weight loss, noting that it involves consuming very low carbohydrates to maintain ketosis.
  • One participant argues that simply reducing portion sizes is the most effective approach to dieting, dismissing specific food restrictions as ineffective.
  • Another participant suggests that while ketogenic diets can lead to weight loss, they do not necessarily outperform standard low-fat diets based on available studies.
  • A participant references a study indicating that both low-fat and ketogenic diets show no statistically significant difference in weight loss outcomes.
  • There is mention of the importance of avoiding processed foods and focusing on whole foods, vegetables, and lean proteins as a strategy for effective weight loss.
  • Links to various studies and reviews on ketogenic diets and plant-based diets are provided, highlighting mixed results regarding their effectiveness.
  • One participant emphasizes that the removal of processed foods tends to yield positive results for individuals on any diet.

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Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of the ketogenic diet compared to other dietary approaches. There is no consensus on whether the ketogenic diet is superior or merely comparable to other diets for weight loss.

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Some claims rely on specific studies and personal experiences, which may not universally apply. The discussion reflects a range of opinions and interpretations of dietary effectiveness without definitive conclusions.

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Hi guys I am trying to lose weight and wondering if the ketogenic diet is a scientifically proven way of losing weight. I understand that you eat what you want as long as you stay under about 30 grams of carbs per day so that your body can remain in ketosis which is a state of fat burning. I am wondering if this is a true diet, thanks in advance.
 
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I think the only real diet is to just cut back on portion sizes. Stuff like "only eat this or that kind of food" are all hogwash.
 
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phinds said:
I think the only real diet is to just cut back on portion sizes. Stuff like "only eat this or that kind of food" are all hogwash.
While the weight gain for the same amount of calories is similar between different food, some food is linked to higher visceral fat gains and less saciety than others, which makes them really bad for dieting (and health). This page contains some links to research on these differences: https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/6-reasons-why-a-calorie-is-not-a-calorie#section1

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Hi guys I am trying to lose weight and wondering if the ketogenic diet is a scientifically proven way of losing weight. I understand that you eat what you want as long as you stay under about 30 grams of carbs per day so that your body can remain in ketosis which is a state of fat burning. I am wondering if this is a true diet, thanks in advance.
This study shows that a low-fat and ketogenic diet don't have a statistically significant difference in weight loss. In Table 1 you can find the individual papers that compare ketogenic to low-fat diets. Answering your question directly - yes, ketogenic is a proven way of losing weight, but it doesn't seem that it's any better than the standard low-fat diet (in terms of weight loss). To be honest, I don't think a low-fat diet is any better than a whole foods based diet that just restricts the calories in the same amount, either.

In my experience, a diet that avoids processed foods (pastry, fast food, simple carbohydrates, margarine oils, etc...) with an heavy focus on vegetables, lean meat and fish, along with exercise, can make you lose weight pretty fast. The hardest part for me was the hunger that surges from the calories restriction - but that gets better with time, and it's temporary until you reach your desired weight. Good luck!
 
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3945587/
This link is a review of ketogenic diets. Basically there are many studies on ketogenic diets. Some of them, not all, have positive results, meaning patients lose weight.

Plant based diets (vegetarian and lower fat): https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5466941/
These diets work well most of the time.

Bottom line:
NIH is the gold standard for medical and nutrition studies:
Links from the DASH diet to many of the more or less reasonable diets reported on at NIH, show at least some successes. And/or failures. None are 100% because they are dealing with humans -- considered by nutrition researchers as the worst possible experimental subjects. And some diets have more frequent negative associated outcomes. Therefore, I could bring up 10 other links to other diet strategies.

I geocache with a clinical nutritionist. His point of view is: The more patients remove processed foods from their diets, the more likely any diet scheme will have positive results for that patient. Or. If a food label has more than 5 ingredients, never eat it. (pick a lower number if you like).
 
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Hi guys I am trying to lose weight and wondering if the ketogenic diet is a scientifically proven way of losing weight. I understand that you eat what you want as long as you stay under about 30 grams of carbs per day so that your body can remain in ketosis which is a state of fat burning. I am wondering if this is a true diet, thanks in advance.
Eat less do more
 
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