Is the magnetic flux density B constant?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of magnetic flux and magnetic flux density (B) in a magnetic circuit, particularly in the context of an electromagnetic brake design. The original poster is exploring whether B or the magnetic flux (Φ) remains constant given varying cross-sectional areas and air gaps in the circuit.

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  • Participants are examining the assumptions regarding the material properties of the core, particularly its permeability and the effects of air gaps. Questions about the relationship between B and the cross-sectional area are raised, along with considerations of saturation flux density.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's queries, offering insights into the assumptions made about the magnetic circuit. Some have suggested specific conditions under which B might be considered constant, while others are exploring the implications of working with a percentage of saturation flux density.

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There are mentions of specific values such as the saturation flux density (Bsat=2.13 T) and the need for further calculations based on the dimensions and reluctances of the circuit. The discussion also highlights the potential need to revise parameters based on the outcomes of the magnetic force calculations.

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Summary:: Is the magnetic flux density B constant? Is the magnetic flux constant?

I am working on a project design for Uni and I am stuck.

In a magnetic circuit is either the magnetic flux or the magnetic flux density B constant? This magnetic circuit has all different cross section areas and air gaps.

I need to calculate the Magnetic Force generated by the circuit and also N*i= Φ1 * R1 + ... (N beeing nº of spirals in a coil and R the reluctance).

I am stuck in a loop because I think neither B nor Φ are constant.
I was told to use saturation flux density (Bsat=2.13) of the material to jump start the calculations, but I am stuck on the question at hand.

Any insight would be appreciated and sorry for the lack of understanding in electromagnetism.
 
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I am working on a project design for Uni and I am stuck.

In a magnetic circuit is either the magnetic flux or the magnetic flux density B constant? This magnetic circuit has all different cross section areas and air gaps. I need to calculate the Magnetic Force generated by the circuit and also N*i= Φ1 * R1 + ... (N beeing nº of spirals in a coil and R the reluctance). I am stuck in a loop because I think neither B nor Φ are constant.

I was told to use saturation flux density (Bsat=2.13) of the material to jump start the calculations, but I am stuck on the question at hand. Any insight would be appreciated and sorry for the lack of understanding in electromagnetism.

This circuit is for an eletromagnetic brake. I have all of the dimensions and reluctances. I also have an estimated current and Number of spires that depending on the results of the question I will have to revise in order too see if they are appropriate. The final objective is for the magnetic force to be equal or larger than a known value.
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I guess you're assuming the core is of a high permmeability material and that the gap is small enough as to make "fringing" negligible. In such a case the ##\vec B## field lines follow the shape of the core (no field outside the core or the gap). Thus, considering##\oint{\vec B \cdot d\vec S}=0## we get ##B_1S_1=B_2S_2## (I skipped several intermediate steps)
 
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Gordianus said:
I guess you're assuming the core is of a high permmeability material and that the gap is small enough as to make "fringing" negligible. In such a case the ##\vec B## field lines follow the shape of the core (no field outside the core or the gap). Thus, considering##\oint{\vec B \cdot d\vec S}=0## we get ##B_1S_1=B_2S_2## (I skipped several intermediate steps)
Could I then assume that Bsat (saturation flux density) is the value of flux density that is applied to the smallest cross section (S) ?
 
Your drawing shows an axisymmetric core (is that O.K.?) but without dimensions. Anyway, I suppose the smallest cross section is around the central "hole". That section shouldn't reach the saturation point of 2. 13 T.
 
Gordianus said:
Your drawing shows an axisymmetric core (is that O.K.?) but without dimensions. Anyway, I suppose the smallest cross section is around the central "hole". That section shouldn't reach the saturation point of 2. 13 T.
The core is a cylinder (9) with a coil runing through it (8). The sallest section are would be the one I painted red and with the arrow in the picture bellow.
I was thinking of considering B a percentage o Bsat, such as B = 70% Bsat
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The force you get goes as the square of B. Thus, working at 70% of Bsat you'll get half the maximum one.
 

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