Is the order of partial differentiation always immaterial for mixed derivatives?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of mixed partial derivatives, specifically whether the order of differentiation is immaterial when dealing with functions of multiple variables, such as f(q,t) where q is a function of t. The scope includes theoretical considerations and potential counterexamples.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that the standard rule of mixed partial derivatives states that the order of differentiation does not matter, but questions whether this holds when differentiating with respect to a variable that is itself a function of another variable.
  • Another participant notes that as long as the mixed partial derivatives are equal and all derivatives exist and are continuous, the order of differentiation is immaterial.
  • A further clarification is sought regarding the specific expression for mixed derivatives, questioning if the equality holds for f(q,t) under the given conditions.
  • One participant reiterates that if the mixed derivatives exist and are continuous, then they are indeed the same.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the condition that mixed derivatives must exist and be continuous for the order of differentiation to be immaterial. However, there is uncertainty regarding the implications when one variable is a function of another, and no consensus is reached on whether counterexamples exist.

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Limitations include the assumption that all derivatives exist and are continuous, as well as the potential for specific cases where the relationship between variables may affect the equality of mixed derivatives.

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I am familiar with the standard rule of mixed partial derivatives in that the order in which you partially differentiate dosn't matter. I have just been considering whether the same rule applies if we take f(q,t) say where q=q(t) and we differentiate normally w.r.t t then partially w.r.t q. Is the order of these operations always immaterial in this case too? I can't find a counterexample but I havn't yet got a satisfactory insight into this problem.

Anyone want to enlighten me?
 
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As long as \frac{\partial^2 f}{\partial q \partial t}=\frac{\partial^2 f}{\partial t \partial q} it doesn't matter. All derivatives must exist and be continuous ofcourse.

You could apply the multivariate chain-rule to show it explicitly.
 
Maybe I wasn't quite clear enough. I was wodering if:
\frac{\partial^2 f}{\partial qdt \dt}=\frac{\partial^2 f}{\d dt \partial q}
always holds for f(q,t).
 
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If the these mixed derivatives exist and are continuous, then they're the same.
 

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