Is the Pole at u=2 Integrable?

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The discussion centers on the integrability of the function $$\frac{\exp{(-\frac{1}{2}(u-2)^2-2u^2)}}{u-2}$$, particularly at the pole located at u=2. Participants explore whether this pole can be integrated and what coordinate transformations might be necessary. The conversation includes numerical evaluations and considerations of different parameter modifications affecting integrability.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the integral is finite from -∞ to ∞, despite the pole at u=2, raising the question of whether the pole is integrable.
  • One participant argues that the integral diverges when approached through the pole, suggesting that integrating through u=2 might yield an undefined result of -∞ + ∞.
  • Another participant claims that the integral is integrable in the Cauchy Principal-Value sense, proposing a limit approach to evaluate the integral around the pole.
  • Concerns are raised regarding modifications to the integrand, with one participant noting that changing parameters can lead to non-convergence in the Cauchy Principal-Value sense.
  • Some participants discuss the relationship of the integral to the contour integral of analytic functions and their residues, suggesting a deeper mathematical connection.
  • One participant compares the original integrand to a variant of $$\frac{1}{u}$$, indicating that while the principal value integral can converge, introducing absolute values disrupts this convergence.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the integrability of the function at the pole, with some supporting the Cauchy Principal-Value approach while others remain skeptical about its validity, particularly when parameters are altered. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the integrability of the modified integrand.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of limits and the behavior of the integrand near the pole, noting that the convergence of the integral can be sensitive to changes in parameters and the treatment of absolute values in the denominator.

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Hi All,

I am wondering if the function below is Integrable:

$$\frac{\exp{(-\frac{1}{2}(u-2)^2-2u^2)}}{u-2}$$

When I work it out on computer, the integral is finite from -Inf to Inf. But clearly it has a pole at u=2. Is this pole integrable? If yes, what kind of coordinate transform is required?

Any help is appreciated!
 
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junt said:
Hi All,

I am wondering if the function below is Integrable:

$$\frac{\exp{(-\frac{1}{2}(u-2)^2-2u^2)}}{u-2}$$

When I work it out on computer, the integral is finite from -Inf to Inf. But clearly it has a pole at u=2. Is this pole integrable? If yes, what kind of coordinate transform is required?

Any help is appreciated!
in the vicinity of u=2, the numerator is bounded away from zero. The integral from 2-ε to 2 is -∞, while that from 2 to 2+ε is +∞. Trying to integrate through u=2 might effectively cancel these, leading to an apparently valid result, but it is not valid. -∞+∞ is undefined.
 
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junt said:
Hi All,

I am wondering if the function below is Integrable:

$$\frac{\exp{(-\frac{1}{2}(u-2)^2-2u^2)}}{u-2}$$

When I work it out on computer, the integral is finite from -Inf to Inf. But clearly it has a pole at u=2. Is this pole integrable? If yes, what kind of coordinate transform is required?

Any help is appreciated!

It is integrable in the Cauchy Principal-Value sense: We take limits:

##\displaystyle\lim_{\epsilon\to 0} \big\{\int_{-\infty}^{2-\epsilon} f(u)du+\int_{2+\epsilon}^{\infty}f(u)du\big\}##

We can numerically compute it in Mathematica:
Code:
In[104]:=
NIntegrate[Exp[(-2^(-1))*(u - 2)^2 - 2*u^2]/(u - 2), {u, -Infinity, 2, Infinity}, Method -> PrincipalValue]

Out[104]=
-0.15723961536751363
 
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aheight said:
It is integrable in the Cauchy Principal-Value sense: We take limits:

##\displaystyle\lim_{\epsilon\to 0} \big\{\int_{-\infty}^{2-\epsilon} f(u)du+\int_{2+\epsilon}^{\infty}f(u)du\big\}##

We can numerically compute it in Mathematica:
Code:
In[104]:=
NIntegrate[Exp[(-2^(-1))*(u - 2)^2 - 2*u^2]/(u - 2), {u, -Infinity, 2, Infinity}, Method -> PrincipalValue]

Out[104]=
-0.15723961536751363
That looks totally good. But when I modify my Integrand with different parameters, the same Integral doesn't seem to be Integrable under Cauchy Principal-Value. For instance:

$$2\frac{\exp{(-\frac{1}{4}(-2+u)^2-u^2)}}{|u-2|}$$

This integral doesn't converge in mathematica. Why is it so?

Code:
In[104]:=
NIntegrate[2 Exp[-1/4*(u - 2)^2 - u^2]/Abs[(u - 2)], {u, -Infinity, 2, Infinity}, Method -> PrincipalValue]

Says failed to converge. Isn't it the same type of integral as my original post. I just changed some parameters.

One more thing, I originally had forgotten the absolute value on the denominator. So now, it looks like even my original integrand doesn't converge when I force my denominator to be positive.
 
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aheight said:
It is integrable in the Cauchy Principal-Value sense: We take limits:

##\displaystyle\lim_{\epsilon\to 0} \big\{\int_{-\infty}^{2-\epsilon} f(u)du+\int_{2+\epsilon}^{\infty}f(u)du\big\}##
Sure, but I find that very unconvincing. If you change one of the limits to 2-2ε it doesn't converge (does it?)
 
haruspex said:
Sure, but I find that very unconvincing. If you change one of the limits to 2-2ε it doesn't converge (does it?)
It's related to the contour integral of the analytic function and its residue, which is much less arbitrary.
 
junt said:
That looks totally good. But when I modify my Integrand with different parameters, the same Integral doesn't seem to be Integrable under Cauchy Principal-Value. For instance:

$$2\frac{\exp{(-\frac{1}{4}(-2+u)^2-u^2)}}{|u-2|}$$

This integral doesn't converge in mathematica. Why is it so?

First, realize we are basically looking at a variant of ##\frac{1}{u}##. Basically. And we can integrate this in the principal value sense:

##\text{P.V.} \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} 1/u du=0##

That's because the infinities cancel when taking "symmetric limits" ( as ##\epsilon\to 0##). However, when we take the absolute values, the infinities DO NOT cancel.

Edit: Maybe not exactly a variant of 1/u but I think the two are similar qualitatively and looking at 1/u is easier to visualize and easier to understand.
 
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