Is the Speed of Light Truly Constant?

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The discussion revolves around the constancy of the speed of light in vacuum, particularly in the context of special relativity. Participants explore the definitions of speed and velocity, the implications of Lorentz transformations, and seek clarification on experimental verifications of light speed constancy.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether speed or velocity is constant, and if the direction is also constant.
  • Another participant asserts that it is the speed that is constant, referencing the relationship between speed and direction in the context of Lorentz transformations.
  • A different participant emphasizes the necessity of a source and detector in experiments, suggesting that the FAQ on "Experimental Basis of Special Relativity" might provide relevant information.
  • Further elaboration on Lorentz transformations indicates that time and space are interrelated, affecting how direction is perceived in different reference frames.
  • Another participant notes that confusion may arise from the translation of terms from German to English, specifically regarding the distinction between speed and velocity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definitions of speed and velocity, as well as the implications of experimental setups for verifying the constancy of light speed. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on these concepts.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of defining speed versus velocity and the implications of Lorentz transformations, indicating that assumptions about directionality and reference frames are critical to the discussion.

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Hi,

The theory of special relativity is based on assumption that the speed of light in vacuum does not depend on the source or observer. I have two questions regarding this.

1) Which is constant, speed or velocity? Is the direction also constant?
2) Are there experimental verifications for the the constancy of speed of light in vacuum that it does not depend on the source or observer? If yes, what are these experiments?

I appreciate any replies.
Thank you very much.
 
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For the second part, I'll let the expert throw in the sources. For the first, it's the speed, that is

[tex]\vec{c} = c\vec{n}[/tex]

[itex]\vec{n}[/itex] is a vector of unit modulus, just like the versors of axis Ox, Oy, Oz. This fact is useful in optics.
 
2) Are there experimental verifications for the the constancy of speed of light in vacuum that it does not depend on the source or observer? If yes, what are these experiments?
The obvious place to look is the FAQ at the top of this forum, "Experimental Basis of Special Relativity".
 
bgq said:
Hi,
2) Are there experimental verifications for the the constancy of speed of light in vacuum that it does not depend on the source or observer?

I'm not sure what you mean... There has to be a source and a detector or you can't perform the experiment at all. Perhaps if you were take look at the FAQ at https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=229034, and especially the section on "Tests of Light Speed from Moving Sources", pick out which experiments don't answer your question, post these for further discussion?
 
bgq said:
1) Which is constant, speed or velocity? Is the direction also constant?

Just speed. One easy way to see this is to look at the Lorentz transformations, which change x but not y and z; so Lorentz-transforming a vector will change its direction unless the y and z components happen to be zero. (Note that this is the three-dimensional direction that we're talking about; I presume that this question was motivated by the discussion of angles in the light-clock thread).
 
Expanding post #5 a bit:


Spacetime is usually interpreted with space as existing in three dimensions and time playing the role of a fourth dimension..and all vary, in general, according to relative motion...related by the Lorentz transform.


the Lorentz transform shows:

1) time and space are not entirely separate entities but one frame's time gets split into another frame's space and vice versa.

2) there is a notion of "distance" called the spacetime interval which also mixes space and time together and is agreed upon by all reference frames (i.e. is invariant under the Lorentz transform).

...this means that directions in space get 'transformed' to quantities ['directions'] in time...
 
Yes, just speed... the translation of Einstein from German to English causes this confusion. The word from German is translated as "velocity", but in German their meaning of this is speed only; not like a velocity in English with magnitude and direction...
 
Thank you all very much.
 

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