Is There a Connection Between Electromagnetism and Gravity?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the potential connection between electromagnetism and gravity, exploring theoretical frameworks, historical perspectives, and current challenges in unifying these fundamental forces. Participants express varying levels of understanding and curiosity about the topic, touching on concepts from theoretical physics and the implications of such a connection.

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  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants wonder if electromagnetism and gravity could be connected, expressing curiosity about the nature of such a relationship.
  • One participant notes that gravity affects photons, suggesting a potential disconnection between the two forces.
  • Another points out the historical attempts to unify gravity with other fundamental forces, acknowledging the difficulty in demonstrating such a connection.
  • There is mention of Einstein's work on Unified Field Theory, with some participants asserting that he believed in a connection between the forces.
  • A participant speculates on the possibility of gravity being a wave and its relationship to electromagnetism, questioning the existence of an equation that includes both gravitational and Planck's constants.
  • Discussion includes Kaluza's theory, which proposes that a fourth spatial dimension could lead to a unification of gravity and electromagnetism through an extension of general relativity.
  • Some participants reference string theory as a leading candidate for a unified field theory, while expressing skepticism about its current effectiveness in unifying gravity and electromagnetism.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the connection between electromagnetism and gravity. Multiple competing views are presented, with some expressing skepticism about the unification efforts and others exploring theoretical possibilities.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of knowledge about the topic, with some acknowledging gaps in their understanding of advanced concepts like general relativity and string theory. The discussion reflects uncertainty regarding the existence of a definitive unifying theory.

JayJohn85
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My last thread for a while. Could possibly be a dumb question so you must forgive I am not well versed in these matters but have become curious about physics in general. I was just wondering if it was possible that electromagnetism and gravity are actually connected?
 
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Actually thinking about this in regards to photons the force carriers of electromagnetism. Gravity exerts a pull on them so probably aren't connected, I don't know. No wonder others who propose such things seem to wish to discredit the photon.
 
People have been attempting to unify gravity with the other fundamental forces for years, without success. It's easy enough to suppose they are connected, but much harder to actually show how they are connected.
 
They are certainly coupled to each other, but that does not unify the two anymore than gravity is unified with matter.
 
Didnt Einstein himself believe that they were unified?
 
Pseudo Epsilon said:
Didnt Einstein himself believe that they were unified?

I think most physicists do. Einstein wrote papers on Unified Field Theory as early as 1923.
 
Pseudo Epsilon said:
Didnt Einstein himself believe that they were unified?

I didn't know that thanks.
 
I wish I knew more about physics currently I am just learning basic maths repeating my GCSE with the aim of going on to do A-level then maybe doing A-level physics I passed my double award science. Anyway point is there was a guy on about a equation that included all constants, I doubt such a equation exists.

However say gravity was a wave and it had some serious relationship to electromagnetism would that not mean a equation including the gravitational constant alongside Planck's constant? Or am I just grasping at straws. I ain't sure what the other big constants are? Some sort of wave equation.

Suppose we need to understand the theoretical graviton and its properties perhaps I wonder is there any kind of relationship to the photon.
 
JayJohn85 said:
My last thread for a while. Could possibly be a dumb question so you must forgive I am not well versed in these matters but have become curious about physics in general. I was just wondering if it was possible that electromagnetism and gravity are actually connected?
Well, Kaluza showed many years ago that if there was a fourth spatial dimension, then the extension of GR to five-dimensional spacetime actually results in Maxwell's equations.
Whether or not this is merely a curious coincidence is up to your interpretation though I guess.
 
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Though I don't know GR, wow, that is interesting.
 
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Fightfish said:
Well, Kaluza showed many years ago that if there was a fourth spatial dimension, then the extension of GR to five-dimensional spacetime actually results in Maxwell's equations.
Whether or not this is merely a curious coincidence is up to your interpretation though I guess.

Not only that.extending to many more spatial dimension resulted in unification of strong and weak force too.. But this kinds of theories had a problem. They are not renormalizable.

Then a new theory came in which connects quantum theory with the theory of hyperspace known as string theory. Now it is known as the leading candidate for theory of everything(unified field theory)
 
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Currently, there is no theory which is working which univies gravity and EM. Although the various flavors of string theory do hold some promise they have been holding the same promise for more than a decade now. If you have specific questions about "Grand Unified Theory" or "Theory of Everything" then it might be better to post those questions to the Beyond the Standard Model forum.
 

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