Is There a Methodical Solution for this Equation Involving Guesswork?

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The discussion revolves around the equation $2a^2 + a + 1 = y^2$, exploring whether it can be solved systematically or if it requires guesswork. Participants examine the nature of solutions, their characteristics, and methods for finding them, including both theoretical and computational approaches.

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  • One participant questions whether the solutions to the equation are finite or infinite and proposes that if $y$ is odd, then $a$ must be even, while if $y$ is even, $a$ must be odd.
  • Another participant reformulates the equation by completing the square and transforms it into a Diophantine equation, suggesting that it has infinitely many solutions and providing specific examples of solutions.
  • Further contributions include a method for finding candidate solutions through brute force by checking if $\sqrt{8y^2 - 7}$ is an integer for various values of $y$.
  • One participant mentions a sequence related to the positive values of $y$ and describes how to derive corresponding values for $a$ using the quadratic formula, emphasizing the need to select the correct sign for the square root.
  • A light-hearted comment is made regarding the potential impact of praise on a participant's behavior, indicating a social dynamic within the discussion.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of the solutions, with some suggesting infinite solutions and others exploring specific methods to find solutions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the systematic approach to solving the equation.

Contextual Notes

Participants rely on various mathematical techniques, including Diophantine equations and quadratic solutions, but the discussion does not clarify the assumptions or limitations of these methods. The dependence on specific values of $y$ and the conditions for $a$ are also noted but not fully explored.

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$a,y \in N$
$2a^2+a+1=y^2$
Is it possible to solve this equation systematically, or will it involve guesswork?
it seemed easy ,but...
you may check it using program (I have done this )
 
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in this case the numbers of solutions will be infinite or finite ?
can we prove it ?
up to now we know :
if y odd ,a must be even
if y even ,a must be odd
 
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If $2a^2 + a + 1 = y^2$ then (completing the square) $2\bigl(a+\frac14\bigr)^2 + \frac78 = y^2$. Multiply both sides by $8$ and rearrange, to get $(4a+1)^2 - 2(2y)^2 = 7.$ This is a Diophantine equation of the form $X^2 - 2Y^2 = $ const. It has infinitely many solutions, starting with the obvious ones $(a,y) = (0,\pm1)$ and $(a,y) = (1,\pm2)$. It can be solved by using the techniques for Pell's equation (we may have to call in our resident expert http://www.mathhelpboards.com/f49/pell-sequence-2905/ at this point). You can find, for example, that if $(a,y)$ is a solution then so are $(17a+4\pm 12y,\,24a+6\pm 17y)$. That gives solutions such as $(-3,4)$, $(-8,11)$, $(16,23)$, $(45,64)$, $(552,781)$, $\ldots$.
 
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6 double solutions keeping y<100 and y=integer>0:
(y,a,a)
1, 0, -.5
2, 1, -1.5
4, 2.5, -3
11, 7.5, -8
23, 16, -16.5
64, 45, -45.5

Easiest way to find a candidate by brute force is loop y,
then is SQRT(8y^2 - 7) an integer?
 
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Further thoughts: the first 29 positive values for $y$ are listed at Sloane sequence A006452. You can get the corresponding values for $a$ by solving the quadratic equation $2a^2 + a + 1 = y^2$, to get $$a = \frac{-1 \pm\sqrt{8y^2-7}}{4}.$$ In each case, you have to select the $+$ or $-$ sign for the square root so as to ensure that the numerator is a multiple of $4$.
 
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(we may have to call in our resident expert http://www.mathhelpboards.com/f49/pell-sequence-2905/ at this point)...
Stop making such nice remarks about Mark:
it'll go to his head, and he'll stop buying the rounds (Bandit)
 

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