Is There a Relation Between cos5A and cosA, sin4A and sinA?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationships between the trigonometric functions cos(5A) and cos(A), as well as sin(4A) and sin(A). Participants explore various mathematical approaches to derive these relationships, including the use of angle sum identities and binomial expansions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the possibility of finding a relationship between cos(5A) and cos(A), and sin(4A) and sin(A), expressing difficulty in deriving a formula.
  • Another participant provides a general formula for sin(na) and cos(na) using binomial coefficients, indicating a method for expressing these functions in terms of simpler angles.
  • A different participant suggests using the sum of angles approach to express sin(4A) in terms of sin(A) and cos(A), detailing the steps involved in the derivation.
  • There is a question about how to handle fractional angles, with one participant stating that it is generally not feasible except for specific cases (n=2,3,4) due to the complexity of the algebra.
  • Another participant expresses difficulty in memorizing the provided formulas and notes that they are not part of the standard curriculum they have encountered.
  • Clarification is provided regarding the notation for binomial coefficients, with a participant explaining that these are typically studied before delving into trigonometry.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of familiarity with the mathematical concepts discussed, and there is no consensus on the best approach to derive the relationships in question. Some participants find the provided formulas challenging, while others offer alternative methods.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the understanding of binomial coefficients and their application in trigonometric identities, as some participants have not yet covered these topics in their studies.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students learning about trigonometric identities, particularly those interested in exploring relationships between multiple angle formulas and their derivations.

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is there a relation between the numerical answers of cos5A and cosA?

sin4A and sinA?

i want to work backwards, if it is possible. tried deriving a formula by myself, but couldnt.:(
 
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\begin{array}{l}<br /> \sin na = {}^n{C_1}{\cos ^{n - 1}}\sin a - {}^n{C_3}{\cos ^{n - 3}}a{\sin ^3}a + {}^n{C_5}{\cos ^{n - 5}}a{\sin ^5}a... \\ <br /> \cos na = {\cos ^n}a - {}^n{C_2}{\cos ^{n - 2}}a{\sin ^2}a + {}^n{C_4}{\cos ^{n - 4}}a{\sin ^4}a... \\ <br /> \end{array}

Where a is the angle and n an integer.
 
I think, you can use the sum of two angles approach

Sin4A = 2 Sin2A Cos2A
= 2 (2 SinA CosA) Cos2A
= 4 SinA CosA (Cos²A - Sin²A)
= 4 SinA CosA (1 - 2Sin²A)
= 4 CosA (SinA - 2 Sin³A)
= 4 √(1 - Sin²A)(SinA - 2 Sin³A)

Similar approach can be taken for other one.
 
Oh ok thank you !
 
What about for fractions ? For example sin1/3 x?
 
For fractions it's essentially not doable, except for n=2,3,4, because of the algebra involved.
 
Did you have a problem with my general formulae?
 
@studiot, no that's not it but it's hard to memorise it and it's not one of the formulas learned in school for
Now , so I can't exactly use it in my exam ! Thanks a lot though !
 
Um wait what is C1 ,C2 etc...
 
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They are symbols for combination. Also written as C(n,1).
If you have not studied permutations, combinations, factorial yet, then you won't understand them.
 
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Oh I see yep I'm only at the double angle formulae level ... And having problems with expressing cos4a or others in the form of simple trigo ratio eg. Cosa. Does anyone have any online website to recommend that solves this kind of problems ?
 
  • #12
Have you ever heard of wolframalpha? I am not sure if I should post links in this forum, but you can google it.
 
  • #13
These are the binomial coefficients also written


\left( {\begin{array}{*{20}{c}}<br /> n \\<br /> r \\<br /> \end{array}} \right)

They are normally studied before trigonometry.
 

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