Is there a transformation if at all?

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The discussion revolves around the transformation of a quadratic equation in two variables, specifically examining the effects of modifying the terms by substituting \(x\) and \(y\) with \(x + h\) and \(y + k\). Participants are exploring whether this modification leads to a meaningful transformation of the equation.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants are questioning the implications of substituting \(x\) and \(y\) with \(x + h\) and \(y + k\) in the context of the original equation. Some suggest that this may not constitute a standard transformation, while others propose expanding the modified equation to analyze its form and effects.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored. Some participants are considering the algebraic manipulation of the equation to clarify the impact of the changes, while others are discussing the implications of the coefficients in the modified equation. There is no explicit consensus yet on the nature of the transformation.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the values of \(h\) and \(k\) could significantly affect the transformation, and there is a suggestion that the coefficients in the modified equation may not represent the same values as in the original equation. This raises questions about how to appropriately denote these changes.

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Homework Statement



Consider

Ax2 + Bxy + Cy2 + Dx + Ey = F

What happens if

Ax2 + B(x + h)(y + k) + Cy2 + Dx + Ey = F



The Attempt at a Solution



Does it do anything?
 
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flyingpig said:

Homework Statement



Consider

Ax2 + Bxy + Cy2 + Dx + Ey = F

What happens if

Ax2 + B(x + h)(y + k) + Cy2 + Dx + Ey = F



The Attempt at a Solution



Does it do anything?
I'll say yes, but I wouldn't say this is any kind of normal transformation, since you are replacing only some x and y values by x + h and y + k.
 
Multiply it out and write it in the form

A'x2 + B'xy + C'y2 + D'x + E'y = F'

That should shed some light on the effect of modifying the cross term.
 
flyingpig said:

Homework Statement



Consider

Ax2 + Bxy + Cy2 + Dx + Ey = F

What happens if

Ax2 + B(x + h)(y + k) + Cy2 + Dx + Ey = F

The Attempt at a Solution



Does it do anything?
If what you say is taken literally, it means that

xy = (x + h)(y + k) .
 
@Sammy

Only if h and k are 0.

@vela, I would but I am moving back to the college and i packed everything and it looked a little tedious. I will get back to that diff and continu thread when I got my stuff set.

@Mark, please come back to my resume thread lol

Also this is just a "theory" before application. I am just going to guess that B(h + k) will get absorbed into the F

So that B(h + k) + F = K?
And so do the other terms get abosrbed.
 
flyingpig said:
@Sammy

Only if h and k are 0.
So, that means that A, B, C, D, E, F do not represent the same set of numbers in the first equation compared to the second equation.

So, you should use primes or subscripts or some such scheme to differentiate (not in the Calculus sense) the two cases.
 

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