Is there refraction upon frustrated total internal reflection

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The discussion centers on the phenomenon of frustrated total internal reflection (FTIR) and whether refraction occurs when light transitions through a gap between media of different refractive indices. Participants explore the implications of FTIR in various contexts, including theoretical considerations and potential experimental observations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that in FTIR, refraction does not occur due to the continuity of phase-time-distance relationships across the interface.
  • Others argue that while there may be a lateral offset of waves, the direction of the light cannot change when transitioning between media of the same refractive index.
  • A participant questions whether the transmitted wave through the gap is refracted in relation to the incident wave, particularly when considering differences in refractive index.
  • Some contributions discuss the concept of evanescent waves and their behavior, suggesting that they do not convey information and may not have a defined speed of propagation.
  • There is mention of near field coupling across the gap, with implications for wave behavior and potential phase shifts that depend on incident angles.
  • Participants discuss the idea of pulse spreading in the context of light transmission through the gap, with one suggesting that energy dissipation and replenishment could lead to a significant spread over time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether refraction occurs in FTIR, with no consensus reached. The discussion includes multiple competing perspectives on the behavior of light in this context, particularly regarding evanescent waves and their implications.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations are noted, such as the dependence on specific assumptions about the media involved and the unresolved nature of certain mathematical relationships regarding phase shifts and wave propagation.

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In frustrated total internal reflection, is there refraction corresponding to the refractive index difference between the first and third medium or does the light continue in straight line as it is usually depicted in graphic representations of the frustrated total internal reflection?
 
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I believe the answer to your question is no. Refraction occurs because of the change in phase-time-distance relations when the wave passes across the interface between mediums. In total internal reflection the relationship between phase, time and distance remains the same and thus the reflected wave must be a symmetric reflection of the incident wave.
 
jambaugh said:
I believe the answer to your question is no. Refraction occurs because of the change in phase-time-distance relations when the wave passes across the interface between mediums. In total internal reflection the relationship between phase, time and distance remains the same and thus the reflected wave must be a symmetric reflection of the incident wave.
You meant the transmitted wave at the end, right? For clarity, I was asking if the ray transmitted through the gap is "bent" (refracted) in relation to the ray in the first medium if there's a difference in refractive index between the two higher index media
 
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I see. I missed the "frustrated" component. Between the mediums of the same index of refraction there will be no net angular refraction. Again this is necessary due to continuity of the phase-time-position relationships of the waves. You may have a lateral offset of the waves (offset parallel to wave front) due to the shift in phase as the light traverses the intermediate gap but the direction can't change.

Short of actually bending space-time, i.e. considering gravitational effects, the only way the beam could change direction between regions of equivalent index of refraction with whatever intermediate medium you might imagine provided it's uniformly coplanar (no prisms) would be for there to be a frequency shift.
 
If extending the FTIR situation to prisms is valid, this might be informative.
(about 40% down the page from: http://blog.teachersource.com/2011/11/26/two-prisms-four-demos/)

RECOMBINING SPECTRUM COLORS
Isaac Newton also wondered if the colors of the spectrum could be recombined to again make white light. To do this he used a second prism arranged as shown. He proved that this was possible. What’s interesting is that the light beams exiting the second prism are not on the same line, but they are PARALLEL. And, because the slit is not infinitely narrow, these beams are not infinitely narrow and therefore can mix to create white light.

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Cheers,
Tom
 

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jambaugh said:
... You may have a lateral offset of the waves (offset parallel to wave front) due to the shift in phase as the light traverses the intermediate gap but the direction can't change.
So far as I understand it, evanescent waves do not convey information and so do not have a defined speed of propagation. Therefore, I expect zero time delay across the gap between the two prisms. The following paper talks about this:-
https://www.osapublishing.org/josa/abstract.cfm?uri=josa-61-8-1035
 
Oh! I see. This is very interesting. Near field coupling across the gap sets up a parallel wave at the surface across the gap. The gap is basically a wave-guide. The information is being conveyed nearly parallel to the interface so there should be edge effects where the coupling builds up but within the beam area there's a fixed phase shift (possibly zero) independent of gap width because that phase shift will, I expect, be proportional to the incident angle. Does this sound correct?

It would also imply that for a pulse the transmitted light will spread out significantly over time. Is that observed?

I apologize for my over simplifications. There's much more going on then I understood there to be.
 
jambaugh said:
Oh! I see. This is very interesting. Near field coupling across the gap sets up a parallel wave at the surface across the gap. The gap is basically a wave-guide. The information is being conveyed nearly parallel to the interface so there should be edge effects where the coupling builds up but within the beam area there's a fixed phase shift (possibly zero) independent of gap width because that phase shift will, I expect, be proportional to the incident angle. Does this sound correct?

It would also imply that for a pulse the transmitted light will spread out significantly over time. Is that observed?

I apologize for my over simplifications. There's much more going on then I understood there to be.
I am very interested in the topic of evanescent waves and induction field coupling.
I agree with what you are saying except I am not sure why you suggest pulse spreading?
 
tech99 said:
I am very interested in the topic of evanescent waves and induction field coupling.
I agree with what you are saying except I am not sure why you suggest pulse spreading?

Imagine you are riding one point of the wave front as the beam approaches the interface. You reach the interface and then are refracted parallel to it. You start moving within the interface parallel to its boundaries. As you do, your wave's energy is dissipated by the emission on the far side of the interface but at the same time it is replenished by more waves incoming on the near side so long as you're within the span where the beam is hitting the interface. So "when you cross" is spread out over a an interval of time much longer than the gap width divided by c.

I'm thinking that for a square wave amplitude pulse the spreading should exponentially decay toward the following steady state. The exponential constant would be proportional to the coupling, a function of the thickness of the gap interface.

I think that it would act (over time) like resonant coupling between the two interfaces except that the instead of a stationary resonating interface one has the traveling evanescent wave.
 

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