Is there so-called "optimal traction" for vehicles?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of "optimal traction" for vehicles, exploring the balance between road grip and steering ease, as well as the implications of traction on tire and road wear. Participants consider various factors influencing traction, including tire material, vehicle purpose, and driving conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that low traction leads to easier skidding, while high traction can make steering difficult and cause damage to tires and roads.
  • Others argue that the optimal traction level varies based on the vehicle's intended use, with different requirements for consumer cars versus racing vehicles.
  • A participant mentions that the material of tires is a compromise between grip and longevity, highlighting that racing tires prioritize grip over durability.
  • There is a suggestion that the definition of "optimal" traction involves subjective value judgments, particularly regarding performance versus cost.
  • One participant questions the relevance of steering difficulty at low speeds, suggesting that high traction does not impede steering when the vehicle is in motion.
  • Another participant raises the idea that if high traction hinders steering, alternatives like power steering could be considered rather than reducing traction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on what constitutes optimal traction, with multiple competing views on the trade-offs between grip, steering ease, and vehicle purpose remaining unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Discussions include varying assumptions about driving conditions, tire materials, and vehicle types, which may influence the perspectives on traction. The complexity of defining "optimal" traction is acknowledged but not resolved.

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Consider for vehicle, a low traction indicates a lower road grip, which leads to a skid easier; a high traction makes the vehicle difficult to steer, and also damages both road and tire.

So I am wondering if there is a balance point of the traction in vehicle design such that it is at an optimal state?

Free feel to point out anything i got wrong above. Thanks.
 
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Compromise is the key word here.
For a given wheel and tyre size, a huge factor governing traction is the tyre material. The material for a domestic vehicle tyre is a compromise between adequate grip and tyre life. The optimum for a racing tyre is different. They are expected to wear out within the time of a single race because they need very good grip.
Then there is the compromise for driving conditions. On a dry track, slicks give best traction (no tread) but when there is any water on the track, a grooved tread is needed to push water aside and give a good contact with only half the area.
 
Jinjolee said:
a high traction makes the vehicle difficult to steer, and also damages both road and tire.
Yes, high traction can result in a fragile tire. The compound used in racing tires is soft and sticky. Crumbles can peel off of it.
Yes, high traction can result in road damage. Putting studs or chains on a snow tire can result in road damage.

It is not clear that there is serious motivation to trade away good grip to gain easier steering, however. Can you give an example?
 
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Jinjolee said:
So I am wondering if there is a balance point of the traction in vehicle design such that it is at an optimal state?
There is not one optimum. It depends on the vehicle's task. For normal consumer cars fuel consumption is a major issue.
 
Optimal requires a value judgement for "best". Clearly, a government dealing with highway repair budget, will disagree with salesmen of studded tires, about how to define "best".

Even for individual people, the trade-off between performance and price is not something that everyone will agree on.
 
jbriggs444 said:
It is not clear that there is serious motivation to trade away good grip to gain easier steering, however. Can you give an example?
An example would be steering while the car is stopped. But I also don't think that this is a relevant consideration.
 
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Thanks for your answers.
So could i say "we always want a higher traction for cars to grip the road and prevent skidding. And if this traction is high enough to hinder motions(e.g. hard to steer), we would consider other approach to overcome this problem(e.g. Power steering), instead of decreasing the traction"?
 
Jinjolee said:
a high traction makes the vehicle difficult to steer, and also damages both road and tire.
High traction doesn't make a car difficult to steer if the car is moving. For public roads, the main case I can think of for steering while a car is stopped is part-way through a parallel parking sequence, and it's unlikely to put much wear on the road or tires. If you look at asphalt roads that show signs of wear, the main locations of deformation are at intersections, due to braking and acceleration. You don't see this type of deformation on streets with parallel parking.
 
Jinjolee said:
...hard to steer...
Didn't we just explain to you, that this is not a relevant issue?
 

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