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The discussion centers around the interpretation of a design featuring a Feynman diagram on a T-shirt. Participants explore whether the diagram represents a legitimate physics concept, specifically in relation to beta decay, and discuss its accuracy and implications in particle physics.

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  • Some participants suggest that the design is a real Feynman diagram, while others express uncertainty about its physics meaning.
  • One participant identifies the diagram as representing beta decay, where a neutron converts to a proton while emitting a neutrino and an electron.
  • Another participant critiques the diagram, noting that the arrow direction is incorrect and implies a violation of charge conservation.
  • There is a discussion about the mass of the neutron compared to the proton, with one participant asserting that the neutron has greater mass and the neutrino has negligible mass.
  • Some participants emphasize that Feynman diagrams are symbolic and do not represent the actual geometry of particle interactions.

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Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the accuracy of the diagram and its representation of beta decay. Some participants agree on the basic concept of beta decay, while others challenge specific details and interpretations.

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There are unresolved assumptions regarding the interpretation of the Feynman diagram and its implications in particle physics. The discussion reflects varying levels of understanding and expertise among participants.

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http://ypelletier.wordans.ca/t-shirt/feynman-gildan-homme-man-81965

Is this just a cool design or is it a real physics expression (or something that makes sense)?

I figure it might be something like velocity is converted to work and "e-," and work plus "n" equals pressure, or something...
 
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It's a feynman diagram. I don't know about them (except what they look like) but I'm pretty sure that is a real diagram. (Although, I don't know what the physics means.)

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I'm pretty sure the colors are just for the shirt (the colors aren't important to the physics)Edit:
I'm speaking out of ignorance, but:
I think that feynman diagrams are supposed to represent interactions between particles. Beyond that I do not know any details.
 
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gauss44 said:
http://ypelletier.wordans.ca/t-shirt/feynman-gildan-homme-man-81965

Is this just a cool design or is it a real physics expression (or something that makes sense)?

I figure it might be something like velocity is converted to work and "e-," and work plus "n" equals pressure, or something...

It's a Feynman diagram of a beta decay (a neutron converts to a proton while emitting a neutrino and an electron), rearranged to fit nicely on the T-shirt.
 
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It's a Feynman diagram of a beta decay (a neutron converts to a proton while emitting a neutrino and an electron), rearranged to fit nicely on the T-shirt.

Too bad they couldn't at least point the arrow in the correct direction.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/89/Beta_Negative_Decay.svg

Perhaps it's a nerd test.

"Hey! That should be a positive W-boson. And that should be an anti-electron neutrino. And the arrow implies non-compliance of conservation of charge. Your shirt is not even wrong!"
 
Wow, thanks everyone. What a neat diagram.
 
OmCheeto said:
Too bad they couldn't at least point the arrow in the correct direction.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/89/Beta_Negative_Decay.svg

Perhaps it's a nerd test.

"Hey! That should be a positive W-boson. And that should be an anti-electron neutrino. And the arrow implies non-compliance of conservation of charge. Your shirt is not even wrong!"

Yeah, this makes sense, I think. A neutron separates into two particles, +1 proton and -1 electron. The added neutrino's mass might contribute to the electron's mass. By E=MC^2, the negative work, might contribute to the remaining mass needed for the electron.

What do you all think?
 
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Yeah, this makes sense, I think. A neutron separates into two particles, +1 proton and -1 electron. The added neutrino's mass might contribute to the electron's mass. By E=MC^2, the negative work, might contribute to the remaining mass needed for the electron.

What do you all think?

Nope. The neutron has greater mass than the proton, the neutrino has negligible mass, and the neutrino is emitted in the reaction (the backwards arrow on the neutrino just indicates that it's an anti-particle instead of a particle). So we start with a neutron, it decays into a lighter proton, the missing mass goes into producing an electron and an anti-neutrino.
 
It's worth noting that the Feynman diagram is purely symbolic. It doesn't show the geometry of a situation, or what an interaction 'looks like'. Many people seem to treat those diagrams as if they actually do.
 
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