Is this effect common in all fields of physics?

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The discussion revolves around whether physical systems, including subatomic particles and larger objects, tend to take paths of least resistance in various contexts such as energy conservation, electric currents, and particle collisions. Participants explore the implications of this idea across different principles in physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that physical systems may avoid significant resistance and take easier routes, relating this to concepts like energy conservation and the behavior of subatomic particles.
  • One participant mentions the third law of thermodynamics as a principle that might explain this tendency, although they later correct themselves to refer to the second law.
  • Another participant introduces Fermat's principle, which posits that light travels the shortest distance, questioning whether this is a physical property or a mathematical construct.
  • The principle of least action is proposed as a potential explanation for why systems might choose paths with less resistance.
  • Concerns are raised about the generality of the terms used, such as "easier," "resistance," and "path," suggesting that these concepts are subjective and context-dependent.
  • One participant argues that while the principle of least action appears in many theories, it does not imply that particles always take the path of least action, citing quantum electrodynamics (QED) and the double slit experiment as counterexamples.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the applicability of the principle of least action and the concept of paths of least resistance. There is no consensus on whether all physical phenomena can be explained by these principles, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the generality of the claims made.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the terms used in the discussion are subjective and depend on the specific context, which may limit the applicability of the proposed principles.

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Hallo!

I was wondering in a physical action/reaction the subatomic particles or even the large object would usually avoid the significant resistance and take a easier route out is that true? like in energy conservation, matter to energy conversion, electric current, magnetic fields, subatomic particles colliding, force on objects to move,etc... And many more all those little physical objects and events that surround us every single second of the day. When there are countless options would they take the easier route which has the lessened resistance... lol this might sound funny but seriously try to imagine what I mean and give me you're opinion! This thought is stuck in my mind I just want to answer that enormous curiosity in my head!

Finally forgive me if I gave you some foolish named physical reactions I didn't really know how to put it lol...

Dream,
 
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DreamChaser77 said:
Hallo!

I was wondering in a physical action/reaction the subatomic particles or even the large object would usually avoid the significant resistance and take a easier route out is that true? like in energy conservation, matter to energy conversion, electric current, magnetic fields, subatomic particles colliding, force on objects to move,etc... And many more all those little physical objects and events that surround us every single second of the day. When there are countless options would they take the easier route which has the lessened resistance... lol this might sound funny but seriously try to imagine what I mean and give me you're opinion! This thought is stuck in my mind I just want to answer that enormous curiosity in my head!

Finally forgive me if I gave you some foolish named physical reactions I didn't really know how to put it lol...

Dream,

I've noticed the pattern you are explaining too. I think in some examples, they do have an underlying principle, and others maybe not.

Two underlying principles I can think of are the 3rd law of thermodynamics, which says a system's energy state tries to approach a minimum equilibrium. I can't say with authority, but I think a lot of the "path of lease resistance" behavior is related to this.

Another is fermat's principle, which is used in classical mechanics and also optics/ray tracing and relativity. Basically this principle says that a ray of light will travel the shortest distance available. I don't know enough about it, but I have always been confused about its physical reality.. as in is it an actual physical property or is it just using a mathematical construct that explains the physical phenomena.

I'm not saying these two principles are related to each other, but I have seen how they have been used to explain some of the examples you gave.
 
I'm thinking that the principal of least action may be behind some of your observations.
 
So is it safe to say in most physical systems when there are to paths one with higher resistance(of any kind) and another path which basically avoids the resistance or the most difficult one and goes for the easier path and that due to the least action principle?

I do believe a system will try to reach to a balance from all the applied energy, force, etc... At the same time I think it will go for the easier method to achieve it if there is one.
 
DragonPetter said:
Two underlying principles I can think of are the 3rd law of thermodynamics, which says a system's energy state tries to approach a minimum equilibrium.

I think you mean the 2nd law.
 
Whovian said:
I think you mean the 2nd law.

You're right, thanks for correcting me, I did mean the 2nd law haha.
 
DreamChaser77 said:
So is it safe to say in most physical systems when there are to paths one with higher resistance(of any kind) and another path which basically avoids the resistance or the most difficult one and goes for the easier path and that due to the least action principle?

I do believe a system will try to reach to a balance from all the applied energy, force, etc... At the same time I think it will go for the easier method to achieve it if there is one.

You are kind of talking in too general terms to get a good answer to your question. The words easier, your use of resistance, and path are all subjective and depends on the context you're talking about. I think you can't jump to a conclusion that every phenomena in physics is related/resulting of the least action principle when you talk so generally.
 
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DreamChaser77 said:
So is it safe to say in most physical systems when there are to paths one with higher resistance(of any kind) and another path which basically avoids the resistance or the most difficult one and goes for the easier path and that due to the least action principle? .

The principal of least action appears in various forms in many modern theories, but it is not necessarily as simple as a particle always taking the path of least action. For example in QED we sum the action of all possible paths to a given destination to determine the probability (amplitude) that the particle will go to that location. The path of least action ends up being the most probable path, but not necessarily the path that a given particle takes.
Consider the double slit experiment, if every photon took path of least action, we would not see the interference pattern on the screen.
 
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