Proving the Cauchy Inequality for Natural Numbers

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In summary, the conversation revolves around proving the Cauchy inequality for the equation a + \frac{b}{n} = a\sqrt[n]{b} if and only if a=b. The validity of this statement is questioned by a member who presents a counterexample, but it is later fixed by another member who suggests an alternative proof using algebraic manipulation. The conversation concludes with the clarification that both implications of the statement need to be proven.
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Homework Statement


I'm working on a Cauchy inequality proof, and I'm at a point where I need to prove:
[itex] a+ \frac{b}{n} = a\sqrt[n]{b} [/itex] iff [itex] a=b [/itex]

Anyway, is it even possible to prove this? If it isn't I need to hurry up and get about another method. If it is possible, I don't mind thinking on it some more.
 
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Hi ArcanaNoir! :smile:

This doesn't seem true. Take a=b=n=2, then

[tex]a+\frac{b}{n}=3[/tex]

but

[tex]a\sqrt{n}{b}=2\sqrt{2}[/tex]

and these are certainly not equal. So at least one of the implications fails.

Looking at the graph of

[tex]x+\frac{y}{2}-x\sqrt{y}[/tex]

suggest that the other implication fails as well.
 
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Oh dear.
 
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Okay, I think I fixed it.
[tex] \frac{na+b}{n+1}=\sqrt[n+1]{a^nb} [/tex]
 
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I'm not well versed in proof writing but couldn't you just algebraically show it's true for a=b?

As in:

[tex] \frac{na + a}{n+1} = \sqrt[n+1]{a^na} [/tex]
[tex] \frac{(n+1)a}{n+1} = \sqrt[n+1]{a^{n+1}} [/tex]
[tex] a = a [/tex]

Though this would require that n cannot equal -1, but I think you may already have that restriction.
 
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Clever-Name said:
I'm not well versed in proof writing but couldn't you just algebraically show it's true for a=b?

As in:

[tex] \frac{na + a}{n+1} = \sqrt[n+1]{a^na} [/tex]
[tex] \frac{(n+1)a}{n+1} = \sqrt[n+1]{a^{n+1}} [/tex]
[tex] a = a [/tex]

Though this would require that n cannot equal -1, but I think you may already have that restriction.
This would only prove one implication. This is an if and only if proof, so you have to prove that
[tex]a=b \implies \frac{na + b}{n+1}=\sqrt[n+1]{a^nb} [/tex]
AND
[tex]\frac{na + b}{n+1} = \sqrt[n+1]{a^nb} \implies a=b[/tex]
 
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isn't that what the op wants though? This statement is true iff a=b...
 
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BrianMath is right. It's the second thing I need most, the first part of the biconditional is easy.

A and b are greater than zero and n is a natural number.
 

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