Is this series divergent or convergent?

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Homework Statement


##\sum_{n=1}^{\infty }1+(-1)^{n+1} i^{2n}##
Is this series divergent or convergent?

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3. The Attempt at a Solution [/B]
I tried using the divergent test by taking the limit as ##n## approaches ##{\infty }##, but both ##i^{2n}## and ##(-1)^{n+1}## will alternate from ##-1## to ##1##, while when I write the first terms, I get ##0## and that's what made me confused.
 
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TheoEndre said:

Homework Statement


##\sum_{n=1}^{\infty }1+(-1)^{n+1} i^{2n}##
Is this series divergent or convergent?

Homework Equations


3. The Attempt at a Solution [/B]
I tried using the divergent test by taking the limit as ##n## approaches ##{\infty }##, but both ##i^{2n}## and ##(-1)^{n+1}## will alternate from ##-1## to ##1##, while when I write the first terms, I get ##0## and that's what made me confused.
Using the n-th term test for divergence, the problem boils down to finding ##\lim_{n \to \infty}\left(1 + (-1)^{n + 1} \cdot i^{2n}\right) = 1 + \lim_{n \to \infty} \left((-1)^{n + 1} \cdot i^{2n}\right)##
It's true that the two factors in the last limit oscillate, but can you determine whether the last limit actually exists? Look at two cases: 1) n is even, and 2) n is odd.
 
I suggest working a bit with the expression inside the sum ...
 
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Mark44 said:
Using the n-th term test for divergence, the problem boils down to finding ##\lim_{n \to \infty}\left(1 + (-1)^{n + 1} \cdot i^{2n}\right) = 1 + \lim_{n \to \infty} \left((-1)^{n + 1} \cdot i^{2n}\right)##
It's true that the two factors in the last limit oscillate, but can you determine whether the last limit actually exists? Look at two cases: 1) n is even, and 2) n is odd.
I think I get it. For both cases the result will be ##-1##, so last limit would be ##-1## and we'll end up with ##0##, correct?
 
TheoEndre said:
I think I get it. For both cases the result will be ##-1##, so last limit would be ##-1## and we'll end up with ##0##, correct?
You'll end up with 0 for the last limit I showed, yes. So ##\lim_{n \to \infty}\left(1 + (-1)^{n + 1} \cdot i^{2n}\right) = 1 + 0 = 1##. Can you conclude anything from the n-th term test for divergence, or will you need to use some other test?
 
Mark44 said:
You'll end up with 0 for the last limit I showed, yes. So ##\lim_{n \to \infty}\left(1 + (-1)^{n + 1} \cdot i^{2n}\right) = 1 + 0 = 1##. Can you conclude anything from the n-th term test for divergence, or will you need to use some other test?
This is not correct. The second limit is the limit of a number of modulus one. It cannot possibly be zero.
 
TheoEndre said:
I think I get it. For both cases the result will be ##-1##, so last limit would be ##-1## and we'll end up with ##0##, correct?
You actually do not need any limits at all. Each term is identically zero.
 
Mark44 said:
You'll end up with 0 for the last limit I showed, yes. So ##\lim_{n \to \infty}\left(1 + (-1)^{n + 1} \cdot i^{2n}\right) = 1 + 0 = 1##. Can you conclude anything from the n-th term test for divergence, or will you need to use some other test?
Actually, I meant this ##\lim_{n \to \infty} \left((-1)^{n + 1} \cdot i^{2n}\right)## to equal ##-1## which means ##\lim_{n \to \infty}\left(1 + (-1)^{n + 1} \cdot i^{2n}\right) ## will equal zero.
 
Orodruin said:
You actually do not need any limits at all. Each term is identically zero.
I thought about that too. But the divergence test of it made me a bit confused.
 
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TheoEndre said:
I thought about that too. But the divergence test of it made me a bit confused.
Before you consider the sum, consider the summands. ##a_n=1+(-1)^{n+1}i^{2n}## can be simplified a lot. After done that for an arbitrary ##a_n##, only then start to think about ##\sum_n a_n##.
 
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Mark44 said:
You'll end up with 0 for the last limit I showed, yes. So ##\lim_{n \to \infty}\left(1 + (-1)^{n + 1} \cdot i^{2n}\right) = 1 + 0 = 1##. Can you conclude anything from the n-th term test for divergence, or will you need to use some other test?
Orodruin said:
This is not correct. The second limit is the limit of a number of modulus one. It cannot possibly be zero.
I am not seeing it.
Regarding the product, if n is an even integer (=2m), ##(-1)^{2m + 1} = -1## and ##i^{2(2m} = 1## with a product of -1.If n is an odd integer (= 2m + 1), ##(-1)^{2m + 2} = 1## and ##i^{2(2m + 1)} = i^{4m + 2} = -1##, so the product is also -1. Where is the flaw in this logic?
 
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Mark44 said:
I am not seeing it.
Regarding the product, if n is an even integer (=2m), ##(-1)^{2m + 1} = -1## and ##i^{2(2m} = 1## with a product of -1.If n is an odd integer (= 2m + 1), ##(-1)^{2m + 2} = 1## and ##i^{2(2m + 1)} = i^{4m + 2} = -1##, so the product is also -1. Where is the flaw in this logic?
No flaw. The product is constantly ##-1##, so ##1+(-1)=0##.
 
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Mark44 said:
I am not seeing it.
Regarding the product, if n is an even integer (=2m), ##(-1)^{2m + 1} = -1## and ##i^{2(2m} = 1## with a product of -1.If n is an odd integer (= 2m + 1), ##(-1)^{2m + 2} = 1## and ##i^{2(2m + 1)} = i^{4m + 2} = -1##, so the product is also -1. Where is the flaw in this logic?
No flaw in that, but you seemed to be saying it was zero, not -1.
 
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Orodruin said:
No flaw in that, but you seemed to be saying it was zero, not -1.
Doh! I got the hard part right, but fouled up on 1 + -1.:H
 
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fresh_42 said:
Before you consider the sum, consider the summands. ##a_n=1+(-1)^{n+1}i^{2n}## can be simplified a lot. After done that for an arbitrary ##a_n##, only then start to think about ##\sum_n a_n##.
I tried simplifying and ended up with zero :biggrin: So the series converges and the sum equal to ##0##, correct?
 
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TheoEndre said:
I tried simplifying and ended up with zero :biggrin: So the series converges and the sum equal to ##0##, correct?
Yes, you can add as many zeroes as you want, you won't get very far. Formally an induction would do, in case anyone comes up with a nonsense like ##\infty \cdot 0##.
 
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fresh_42 said:
Yes, you can add as many zeroes as you want, you won't get very far. Formally an induction would do, in case anyone comes up with a nonsense like ##\infty \cdot 0##.
I think ##\infty \cdot 0## is interesting :smile:
Thank very much for your help @fresh_42, @Mark44 and @Orodruin
 

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