# Is this Voltage Variable Capacitor available commercially?

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1. Jan 5, 2017

### Leo Freeman

Is the "Voltage variable capacitor" described in patent US 20070242410 A1 a commercially available component? Has anyone heard of this method of changing the dielectric constant using a biasing voltage? It has been nearly 13 years since the patent was filed, but I've never heard of it. It would be very useful if it did work as described.

Leo

2. Jan 5, 2017

### Paul Colby

I'm not aware of any material that changes dielectric constant in any reasonably sized applied field. Polarizability of a material will saturate in very (very) high fields but these fields are on the order of MeV not volts.

3. Jan 5, 2017

### Leo Freeman

Thanks for your reply. It is a bit of a mystery; no-one seems to have heard of this idea, but the patent definitely claims it works. I can't imagine why someone would spend the money patent a fake device?

4. Jan 5, 2017

### Paul Colby

Yes, it would work I just don't know of a material which would oblige. Are you familiar with varactor diodes? They use changing junction capacitance.

5. Jan 5, 2017

### Leo Freeman

Yes, I just read about varicaps. They have two leads only, though, and apparently limited to the pFarad range. This patent, however, seems to describe a triode-like device, and not using semiconductors.

6. Jan 5, 2017

### Paul Colby

It's interesting that the FET was originally patented in the 1920's. The author knew it would work but there were no materials or processes to support an actual device. Basically he was envisioning a solid state triode. Along comes the 50's and we have FETs

7. Jan 5, 2017

### Leo Freeman

Wow, That was a long-term gamble! Do you think Leeder is trying the same trick, just with capacitors? I noticed he said in the patent: "As a practical matter, there are no limitations as to the size or geometry of the capacitor of the present invention or the type of dielectric material used." [emphasis mine] But do you think it would require a semiconductor material, after all?

The way I originally came across this patent was: A few days ago, I had the idea of varying the dielectric constant of an air-dielectric capacitor by inserting another set of capacitor plates, made of grid mesh, between the main capacitor plates. The outer plates' electric field could be canceled by controlling the voltage on the inner plates, thus effectively increasing the capacitance of the outer plates. I looked on Google images for anything that suggested this idea, and found the above image from the patent.

8. Jan 5, 2017

### Staff: Mentor

That looks to be a patent application, not a granted patent. There have certainly been some things that were granted a patent that really should not have, but this one looks like it didn't make it to that stage anyway. I also don't see it being assigned to any company...

9. Jan 5, 2017

### jim hardy

10. Jan 5, 2017

### Leo Freeman

Thanks for that. Yes, at first I was amused by Paul's account of the patenting of the FET, but now I'm angry; that sort of "patent squatting" on vague half-baked ideas should not be allowed. It's corruption, I say.

11. Jan 5, 2017

### Leo Freeman

Thank you very much, Jim, for that info! Can we assume, then, that this device actually works?
If so, why do people waste time with varicaps and cumbersome mechanically-variable capacitors? How come this important device is not more widely known to the electronics community? (I hope there's a great conspiracy story in here! hehehe!)

12. Jan 5, 2017

### jim hardy

The patent only asserts that dielectric constant is affected by charge on the grid

i'm not a materials expert so can't refute that there exists some material that acts that way
but my Missouri roots say "Show Me"
and i am doubtfull that it works as he describes.

Basics of capacitor dielectrics is here
http://physics.info/dielectrics/

Myself i think he's built a capacitive voltage divider,
and deluded himself and a patent examiner that he's modulating permittivity of some material (that he didn't name).

But one can find papers on dielectric constant versus voltage in some exotic materials, eg
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S027288421501932X

I'd track him down and ask.

13. Jan 5, 2017

### Leo Freeman

Thank you again for that information.

Leeper says in the patent: "It is known that altering the electromagnetic field within or surrounding a dielectric material will alter the relative permittivity of the dielectric. It is upon this principle that the present invention is based." It sounds fairly emphatic.

Also, "Charging the conductive grid with a negative potential causes the dielectric constant of the capacitor to decrease in value thereby reducing the capacitor's value. Placing a positive potential on the grid causes the dielectric constant to increase, thereby raising the capacitor's value."
How could this polarity principle hold true for all types of dielectrics?

Also, this dielectric does not necessarily have to be a semiconductor, hence the presence of the embedded conductive grid in some embodiments of the device. If a semiconducting dielectric is used, it would not need the grid to charge it, just a contact electrode.

So I wonder if the dielectric material is just incidental, it is the inner electric field that counts.
Is it possible that it is just the electric field from the metal grid which interacts with and varies the plate field? If there were two grids, like an internal capacitor, wouldn't that affect the plate field in the same way that a normal dielectric does?

14. Jan 5, 2017

### jim hardy

You're on the same thought path i am.
A capacitor stores energy in the volume between its plates, actually in the electric field permeating that volume. One can write equations and integrate to calculate that energy.
His grid does something to that field.

That's what i think.

15. Jan 5, 2017

### jim hardy

while there is reported in highfalutin' journals some effect in exotic materials, i've yet to see any basis for his claim it's polarity sensitive.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/254236527_Relation_of_Dielectric_Permittivity_and_Electric_Field_Dependence_of_Polarization_in_Some_Relaxors_with_Perovskite_Structure [Broken]

doesn't look to me like it's a practical idea as yet.

old jim

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16. Jan 5, 2017

### Paul Colby

http://www.uni-leipzig.de/~ids2012/tutorials/richert2010.pdf

Here is a talk on non-linear dielectric properties. I would think if a material were commonly known to change by a factor of 2 (like in the patent) by applying a manageable field it would appear as an example. Fields like $10^{10}$ volts per meter appear in some of the plots accompanied by very small dielectric changes. This is not surprising given basic physics. Materials are made up of tightly bound charges. Saturating their polarization would be a feat. I certainly can't prove the non-existence of such a material but I certainly have reason to doubt such exists.

17. Jan 6, 2017

### Leo Freeman

It certainly doesn't look workable by relying on some property of the dielectric. I wonder what was the point of patenting the device before a suitable material could be found?

18. Jan 6, 2017

### Leo Freeman

Thanks for all this. It has illuminated the murky world of patent law. My take-home message in all of this is that an inventor doesn't have to prove his invention actually works in order to get a Patent!

19. Jan 7, 2017

### Baluncore

The inventor is not really “patent squatting” as the patent expires shortly and no one else can patent it again for at least 50 years. He may not have paid all the annual renewal fees, so it may have lapsed. The patent should expire in a couple of years anyhow.

But that does not tell us what the material is. I think it is actually a concentrated delusion of grandure mixed with the whisp of dream; an idea worth a million dollars, but totally secret.

There are some neat materials out there. For example, ferrite materials that have frequency dependent dielectric constants. You could make a tuned circuit that was resonant over a very wide band with very little loss.

20. Jan 8, 2017

### Leo Freeman

Is it possible that the dielectric may not the the thing which really changes the capacitance? If an air capacitor had another inner set of plates made of mesh, like this: wouldn't the inner electric field modify the outer plate field (and hence, vary the capacitance) just like a dielectric would? I can't see the difference between a dielectric displacement field reducing the plate field, and an "artificial" field from the mesh plates doing the same. I choose mesh for the inner plates so that they can "let the outer field through", if that makes any sense!