Is Torture Really Worse than Death?

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The discussion centers on the nature of death, particularly contrasting tortured deaths with less painful methods like gunshot wounds. One participant argues that the primary issues with a tortured death are the pain and potential embarrassment experienced before death, suggesting that a few extra days of suffering may not be significant in the grand scheme of life. Another contributor emphasizes the distinction between the concepts of killing and hurting, asserting that inflicting pain can be more detrimental than death itself. They argue that while decapitation may not be a terrible way to die if not preceded by torture, the subjective experience of pain during life is crucial to consider. The conversation also touches on practical concerns about mortality, such as ensuring that loved ones are alerted in the event of death to prevent decomposition. Overall, the thread explores the complexities of pain, suffering, and the finality of death, highlighting differing perspectives on what constitutes a preferable end of life.
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I was just wondering, that in an objective sense, the only thing wrong with a tortured death is the pain and possibly embarrasment one goes through before death. These are days and weeks at the most in almost all cases. So what I don't get, is how does tortured death, for example, taped decapitation, differ from a gun shot wound? I mean, to be honest, I would prefer an unpainful death, but really, I don't think, objectively speaking, that It would matter much, a few extra days of pain is not much...
 
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I won't answer your question directly. But I will note that I know of some elderly single people who call one another each morning, 365 days of the year. I gather that the primary purpose, left unspoken by them, is that if one of them should die, as long as the other remains alive for the next 24 or so hours, the one alive will be able to alert others to start a chain of events that would lead to the corpse being discovered before it has time to get really bloated and nasty. I know that's gross to talk about, but there you go.
 
Mattius_ said:
I was just wondering, that in an objective sense, the only thing wrong with a tortured death is the pain and possibly embarrasment one goes through before death. These are days and weeks at the most in almost all cases. So what I don't get, is how does tortured death, for example, taped decapitation, differ from a gun shot wound? I mean, to be honest, I would prefer an unpainful death, but really, I don't think, objectively speaking, that It would matter much, a few extra days of pain is not much...

I think what you are doing here is confusing two issues. On the one hand is a matter of pain, suffering, and the relative merits of different ways to end a life. On the other hand is a comparison of eternity to a finite time period. You begin by saying something to the effect that pain and wrongness may be related, but then surmise that a few extra days of pain is not much. What’s important isn’t that death brings relief from pain or embarrassment (unrevealed) but rather, what’s felt while the individual still lives. When compared to eternity a few days is certainly not much time, but if red-hot instruments were being inserted repeatedly into a bodily orifice I should think that a few extra days of such treatment would seem like an eternity !






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I won't answer your question directly. But I will note that I know of some elderly single people who call one another each morning, 365 days of the year. I gather that the primary purpose, left unspoken by them, is that if one of them should die, as long as the other remains alive for the next 24 or so hours, the one alive will be able to alert others to start a chain of events that would lead to the corpse being discovered before it has time to get really bloated and nasty. I know that's gross to talk about, but there you go.

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i think i will die someday.
 
Mattius_ said:
the only thing wrong with a tortured death is the pain and possibly embarrasment one goes through before death. These are days and weeks at the most in almost all cases.

Well if that's all :rolleyes:

Mattius_ said:
So what I don't get, is how does tortured death, for example, taped decapitation, differ from a gun shot wound? I mean, to be honest, I would prefer an unpainful death, but really, I don't think, objectively speaking, that It would matter much, a few extra days of pain is not much...

We're talking about two different things here you seem to combine to one.
As I see it there's killing and hurting which are two different things. Hurting someone can even be worse then killing someone.
 
I'd say it's pretty much instinctual to avoid pointless pain, no matter how long it lasts. That said, decapitation would not be a terrible way to go, provided it is not preceded by any form of torture.
 
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