Isomorphisms between cyclic groups

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The discussion revolves around the nature of isomorphisms between cyclic groups, specifically focusing on how to determine the total number of isomorphisms from one cyclic group to another. Participants explore the properties of generators within these groups and the implications for mapping elements under isomorphisms.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the reasoning behind the assertion that the total number of isomorphisms from a cyclic group G to another cyclic group G' is equal to the number of generators of G', specifically relating this to the condition gcd(k,m)=1.
  • Another participant asserts that any isomorphism must map a generator of G to a generator of G', indicating that the number of such mappings corresponds to the number of generators available in G'.
  • A different participant presents a counterpoint by suggesting that if multiple generators exist, it could imply a larger number of isomorphisms, proposing a factorial relationship based on the number of generators.
  • One participant clarifies that once a generator is mapped to a generator, the mapping of all other elements is determined, thus limiting the number of distinct isomorphisms.
  • One participant expresses understanding after the discussion, indicating a resolution of their confusion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the total number of isomorphisms, with some supporting the idea that the number of isomorphisms is directly tied to the number of generators, while others propose that the presence of multiple generators could lead to a greater number of isomorphisms. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact nature of these mappings.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific examples of generators and their mappings, but the implications of these examples on the general case remain unclear. The discussion does not resolve the assumptions about the structure of cyclic groups or the nature of isomorphisms in this context.

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Ok, here is something i thought i understood, but it turns out i am having difficulties fully grasping/proving it.

Let [tex]\theta:G->G'[/tex] be an isomorphism between G and G', where o(G)=m=o(G'), and both G and G' are cyclic, i.e. G=[a] and G'=

So my question is, when we want to find the total number of isomorphisms from G to G', i 'know' that the total number of such isomorphisms is basically
the number of generators of G':
[tex]\theta(a)=b^k[/tex] where gcd(k,m)=1. But i don't really understand why? That is, how are we sure that by just counting the number of generators on G' we are actually finding the total number of such isomorphisms. ?

Any explanations would be appreciated.
 
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Suppose [itex]\theta[/itex] were any isomorphism from G to G'. Apply [itex]\theta[/itex] to a generator of G. It is simple to prove that [itex]\theta[/itex] MUST map a generator to a generator. So it is easy to see that it is a matter of how many generators each has: each mapping of generator to generator gives an isomorphism.
 
well, yeah, i know how to prove that an isomorphism perserves the order of each element, and thus must mapp a generator to a generator, but say for example that the generators of G=[a] are a, a^3,a^5, a^7, and the generators of G'= are b, b^3, b^5,b^7, then to me it looks more logical to have these isomorphisms:
first [tex]\theta(a)=b^i; \theta(a^3)=b^i, \theta(a^5)=b^i;\theta(a^7)=b^i,i=1,3,5,7[/tex] , which means not 4, but 4! isomorphisms.

So, what am i missing here?
 
Once you map a generator somewhere you fix where every other element in the group goes. You can't map say a to b and a^3 to b^5 with one homomorphism because the first implies that a^3 must map to b^3.
 
well, yeah, i think i get it.

thnx
 

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