Uncovering the Initial Conditions of Electrons in the Ives-Stillwell Experiment

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In summary, the conversation discusses the initial conditions of electrons in an experiment and their effect on photon emission. The question is raised about the joint actions of positive and negative charges, as well as how the electrons were able to pass through the accelerating grid. The answer is suggested to be that the initial conditions of the electrons were random and that the positive ions had a stronger influence. The availability of the original paper is also mentioned, which reveals that the studied spectral line was the H-Beta blue-green transition and that significant modifications were made to the apparatus to obtain discrete spectral lines.
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I've never been able to find the answer to this question - maybe someone on here knows the answer. What were the initial conditions of the ELECTRONS in the experiment?

There seems to be the implicit assumption that only the positive ions' state of motion has an effect on the photons being emitted. I recognize that the ions are orders of magnitude more massive than the electrons, and thus their trajectories would be essentially unaffected. But aren't the photons emitted by the JOINT actions of both positive and negative charges? And how did the electrons get past the accelerating grid into the recombination chamber?

Could the answer be that the initial conditions of the electrons are "random". And thus the "net" directed activity be that of the positive ions?
 
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Ok.

Does anyone know how I can find a copy of their original paper? There might be some clues in it.
 
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The wikipedia provides references (and links) to two different papers by Ives and Stillwell.
 
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I finally got a copy of the original paper. And the answer is that the spectral line they studied was the H-Beta blue-green(?), which is an INTERNAL transition. So the initial conditions of the electrons were the same as that of the nucleus to a very high degree of approximation.

Also, they had to significantly modify their "canal ray" tube to get discrete spectral lines. They didn't say specifically how, but I am guessing it was drastically lowering the gas pressure - to stop the impacts, mixing, random velocities and Doppler shifts that would smear the lines.
 

Related to Uncovering the Initial Conditions of Electrons in the Ives-Stillwell Experiment

1. What is the Ives-Stillwell Experiment?

The Ives-Stillwell Experiment is an important experiment in the field of quantum mechanics that aimed to determine the initial conditions of electrons in a hydrogen atom. It was conducted in the early 20th century by Herbert Ives and G.R. Stillwell.

2. Why is it important to uncover the initial conditions of electrons in this experiment?

Understanding the initial conditions of electrons is crucial for understanding the behavior of atoms and molecules. This information can help us better understand the fundamental laws of nature and how matter operates on a microscopic level.

3. How was the Ives-Stillwell Experiment conducted?

The experiment involved passing light through a hydrogen gas and measuring the resulting wavelength shift. This shift was then used to calculate the initial conditions of the electrons in the hydrogen atoms.

4. What were the results of the Ives-Stillwell Experiment?

The results of the experiment were consistent with the predictions of quantum mechanics, which states that the position and velocity of an electron cannot be simultaneously measured with complete accuracy. This supports the uncertainty principle proposed by Heisenberg.

5. How has the Ives-Stillwell Experiment impacted our understanding of quantum mechanics?

The Ives-Stillwell Experiment provided experimental evidence for the principles of quantum mechanics and further solidified its place as a fundamental theory in modern physics. It also paved the way for further research and advancements in understanding the behavior of matter at the atomic level.

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