Jacobian matrix with 2 variables

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The discussion revolves around finding the Jacobian matrix for a system defined by two functions of two variables, specifically z=x^2+x^3 and z=y+sin(x). Participants are exploring how to set up the Jacobian matrix and calculate its determinant.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need to take partial derivatives to construct the Jacobian matrix. There is some uncertainty about the setup, particularly regarding the interpretation of the two equations for z. Questions arise about how to approach the determinant calculation and whether it should yield a symbolic expression.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the structure of the Jacobian matrix, while others question the initial problem setup and the interpretation of the variables involved. There is an ongoing exploration of the determinant's symbolic representation versus its numerical value.

Contextual Notes

There is confusion regarding the use of the variable z in both equations, leading to discussions about the implications for the Jacobian matrix and the nature of the functions involved. Participants are also considering the assumptions made in the problem statement.

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jacobian matrix with 2 variables please help!

Homework Statement


so we have z=x^2+x^3 and z=y+sin(x). Find the jacobian matrix of this system. Find the determinant of this jacobian.

The Attempt at a Solution


The determinant part is easy, the only problem is trying to set this up. I'm not sure where to start. I think I need to take partial derivatives...do we do like dz/dx and dz/dy and just put them into matrix? please help
 
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Yes, exactly. The partial derivatives of the first function, with respect to x and y, are the first row of the matrix, the first derivatives of the second function, with respect to x and y, are the second row of the matrix.

Just out of curiosity, how is the determinant part "easy" if you don't know what you are to take the determinant of?
 
what do you mean? the determinant doesn't necessarily have to be a certain numerical value, just show what the answer is symbolically(that's what I believe atleast heh). so if I did this right the determinant should be just 2x+3x^2
 
Are you sure you wrote the problem out right? both equations are for z?
 
feelau said:
what do you mean? the determinant doesn't necessarily have to be a certain numerical value, just show what the answer is symbolically(that's what I believe atleast heh). so if I did this right the determinant should be just 2x+3x^2

Yes, that is correct. I said nothing about "a certain numerical value". I'm still wondering how you got 2x+ 3x2 for the determinant of the Jacobean matrix if you did not know what that matrix was! Oh, and I assumed that the two "z"s actually referred to different variables. That was what joob was complaining about. Normally, a Jacobean matrix reflects a change in variables. changing x,y to u, v or z,w would make sense. Changing x,y to z, z would not!
 
<br /> z_1=x^2+x^3 <br /> \medskip<br /> z_2=y+sin(x)<br />

Jacobian is:
<br /> J=\left[ \begin{array}{cc}<br /> \frac{dz_1}{dx} &amp; \frac{dz_1}{dy} \\<br /> \frac{dz_2}{dx} &amp; \frac{dz_2}{dy} <br /> \end{array}<br /> \right]<br />

...which is
<br /> J=\left[ \begin{array}{cc}<br /> 2x &amp; 3x^2 \\<br /> cos(x) &amp; 1 <br /> \end{array}<br /> \right]<br />

and determinant:

<br /> 2x -3x^2cos(x)<br />
 

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