Jacobian Transformation - new domain of integration

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The discussion revolves around computing a double integral using the Jacobian transformation. The integral is defined over a specific domain in the first quadrant of the xy-plane, bounded by the lines x=0, y=0, and x+y=1. Participants are exploring the transformation of variables from (x, y) to (s, t) where s=x+y and t=x-y, and are particularly focused on determining the new limits of integration for the transformed variables.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the transformation of the variables and the implications for the new domain of integration. There is a focus on understanding why the limits for t are defined as -s ≤ t ≤ s, with some participants suggesting that sketching the region may clarify the boundaries. Others provide detailed mappings of the boundaries in the new coordinate system.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations of the boundaries being explored. Some participants have provided insights into the mapping of the boundaries and the geometric representation in the s-t space, while others express confusion and seek further clarification on the reasoning behind the limits.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of the original problem statement and the definitions provided in their textbooks. There is an emphasis on visualizing the transformation and understanding the geometric implications of the Jacobian in the context of the given domain.

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Homework Statement



I need to compute the following using the Jacobian:

\int\int_D \frac{x-y}{x+y} dxdy

Where D = \left\{(x,y):x\geq 0, y\geq 0, x+y \leq 1\right\}

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The Attempt at a Solution



I've made the transformation:

s=x+y \qquad t = x-y

My problem is finding the new domain of integration. I can see that 0\leq s \leq 1.

Yet for t, my book says it should be -s\leq t \leq s, but I cannot see why this should be.

Any help is much appreciated.
 
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Let r = x e_1 + y e_2 and r' = s e_1 + t e_2 with f(r) = r' and the coordinates s,t as you defined them.

Now, let the boundary of the domain of integration be c(\tau) for some scalar variable tau. There's more than one way to do this, but you can choose

c(\tau) = \begin{cases}<br /> \tau e_1 &amp; (0 &lt; \tau \leq 1) \\<br /> e_1 + (e_2 - e_1)(\tau - 1) &amp; (1 &lt; \tau \leq 2) \\<br /> e_2 + (-e_2)(\tau - 2) &amp; (2 &lt; \tau \leq 3)<br /> \end{cases}

Now, the Jacobian is a linear operator on a vector:
\underline f(e_1) = e_1 + e_2 \\<br /> \underline f(e_2) = e_1 - e_2

The boundary of the domain of integration goes as c(\tau) \to c&#039;(\tau) = \underline f[c(\tau)]. The result of applying the Jacobian operator to c above is

c&#039;(\tau) = \begin{cases}<br /> (e_1 + e_2)\tau &amp; (0 &lt; \tau \leq 1) \\<br /> (e_1+e_2) - 2 e_2 (\tau - 1) &amp; (1 &lt; \tau \leq 2) \\<br /> (e_1 - e_2) + (e_2 - e_1)(\tau - 2) &amp; (2 &lt; \tau \leq 3)<br /> \end{cases}

Drawn up, this is a diagonal from the origin to (s,t) = (1,1), down to (1,-1), and then back to the origin. That's why they say s \geq t \geq -s.
 
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IniquiTrance said:
...Where D = \left\{(x,y):x\geq 0, y\geq 0, x+y \leq 1\right\}

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution



I've made the transformation:

s=x+y \qquad t = x-y

My problem is finding the new domain of integration. I can see that 0\leq s \leq 1.

Yet for t, my book says it should be -s\leq t \leq s, but I cannot see why this should be.

Any help is much appreciated.

First, find where the boundaries are mapped to, you have x=0, y=0 and x+y=1. These are mapped to x=(s+t)/2=0, y=(s-t)/2=0, and x+y=s=1. Draw these lines as the boundary in the new s,t-space. (Two diagonals through the origin and the vertical line s=1.) If you want to do ∫∫f\ dtds, then for each s value in [0,1] (the projection of the region), t should go from the lower diagonal to the upper diagonal, that is, from t=-s to t=s.
 
IniquiTrance said:

Homework Statement



I need to compute the following using the Jacobian:

\int\int_D \frac{x-y}{x+y} dxdy

Where D = \left\{(x,y):x\geq 0, y\geq 0, x+y \leq 1\right\}

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution



I've made the transformation:

s=x+y \qquad t = x-y

My problem is finding the new domain of integration. I can see that 0\leq s \leq 1.

Yet for t, my book says it should be -s\leq t \leq s, but I cannot see why this should be.

Any help is much appreciated.
First, you should sketch the region in the xy-plane. Next, draw in what curves of constant s and constant t look like on the xy-plane. For example, s=0 corresponds to the line x+y=0; that is, the t-axis is the line y=-x. Just from the sketch, it should be pretty clear what the limits are.
 

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