Keeping a wheel spinning using as little electrical energy as possible

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around mechanisms to keep a wheel spinning using minimal electrical energy. Participants explore various approaches and ideas, considering different contexts and applications, including toy cars and other wheel-based systems.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using a regular motor to maintain the wheel's motion.
  • Another proposes employing the principle of Walschaerts valve gear adapted for electric use.
  • A different idea involves using electromagnets to provide intermittent 'kicks' to the wheel, activating the current only at specific points to conserve energy.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of engineering an efficient electric motor tailored to the specific application of the wheel.
  • Another participant mentions that using a well-beared bicycle wheel might be an efficient solution, suggesting a small electric motor with appropriate transmission.
  • A later reply highlights the potential benefits of incorporating a heavy flywheel to mitigate energy losses, regardless of the spinning mechanism used.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the most efficient method to keep a wheel spinning, with no consensus on a single approach. Various mechanisms are proposed, and the discussion remains open-ended regarding the optimal solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the efficiency of the proposed methods may vary significantly depending on the specific application and construction of the wheel system.

Laguna2
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Hello.

This question has kept me up all night: What mechanism would keep a wheel spinning using as little electrical energy as possible?

Let's say we have a toy car (could be anything that involves a wheel) that is already in motion and moving with a constant velocity. What would you build to keep the wheels spinning at that velocity and uses as little electrical energy as possible? (It must be with electricity)

I have a few ideas but I have no idea which uses the least amount of electricity:

#1
Using a regular motor to spin the wheel
http://www.scooter-tuning.com/variator3.jpg

#2
Using the principal of Walschaerts valve gear using electricity instead of steam.
[PLAIN]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/08/Walschaerts_motion.gif

#3
This is the tricky one: Using magnetism. Use electromagnets to give the wheel a 'kick' to keep it going. Make current run through the electromagnets at certain points to induce the kick and stop the current when not at that particular point (to save energy).


Which one would require the least amount of electricity? If you can think of any other method that would meet the criteria better please share :)
 
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Laguna2 said:
Let's say we have a toy car (could be anything that involves a wheel)
What is it makes a pretty important (actually - critical!) issue.
Your problem is to engineer the most efficient electric motor, feasible to use in your particular case. The solution will be quite different if your wheel is the London Eye, a hard disc for your laptop, a gyroscope stabilizing V1 missile, or gramophone.
 
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I see... Let's take a case where I'm sitting on a chair holding the spinning wheel at arms length. I'm twisting the wheel so I will rotate on the chair. Now I just need the wheel to keep spinning to keep rotating.

What then would require the least amount of energy?
 
You use a well beared bicycle wheel for that purpose?

I may guess that small electric motor, like those used in toys, with appropriate transmission, might be quite efficient and easiest to implement solution.
 
I'm not concerned about it being easy to implement. I need the most efficient method of keeping that wheel spinning regardless of the contstruction.
That's also why I asked for other ideas :)
 
Laguna2 said:
I'm not concerned about it being easy to implement. I need the most efficient method of keeping that wheel spinning regardless of the contstruction.
That's also why I asked for other ideas :)

Well, in addition to whatever mechanism you use to spin it up, a heavy flywheel will offset much in the way of losses.
 

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