Kinematics, Conservation of energy, momentum

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving the conservation of energy (COE) and conservation of linear momentum (COLM) related to an explosion of an 8 kg mass. The user seeks validation for their COE equation, which accounts for kinetic and potential energy before and after the explosion. Participants confirm that conservation of momentum should be applied to the explosion event, assuming zero initial velocity for the entire system. The correct momentum equation is established as 8*0 = m1(v1) + m2(v2). The conversation emphasizes the importance of using both conservation laws to solve the problem effectively.
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Homework Statement
An object of mass 8 kg explodes into two pieces at a height of 30 m from
the ground. Both small pieces fly out vertically. After 2 seconds of explosion, one
piece arrives the ground while the other piece is 16 m above the ground. Find the
mass of the small piece that hit the ground first.

Honestly i have no idea what type of question is this and how to approach this.
Relevant Equations
Kinetic energy = 0.5mv^2
Potential energy = mgh
m1 + m2 = 8
COE
0.5(m1)(u1)^2 + (m1)(g)(30) + 0.5(m2)(u2)^2 + (m2)(g)(30) = 0.5(m1)(v1)^2 + 0.5(m2)(v2)^2 + (m2)(g)(16)

Can you check if my eqn is correct? And can you advise what to do after this?
I wanted to do COLM but i don't know what is the initial part.
 
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wcjy said:
Homework Statement:: An object of mass 8 kg explodes into two pieces at a height of 30 m from
the ground. Both small pieces fly out vertically. After 2 seconds of explosion, one
piece arrives the ground while the other piece is 16 m above the ground. Find the
mass of the small piece that hit the ground first.

Honestly i have no idea what type of question is this and how to approach this.
Relevant Equations:: Kinetic energy = 0.5mv^2
Potential energy = mgh

m1 + m2 = 8
COE
0.5(m1)(u1)^2 + (m1)(g)(30) + 0.5(m2)(u2)^2 + (m2)(g)(30) = 0.5(m1)(v1)^2 + 0.5(m2)(v2)^2 + (m2)(g)(16)

Can you check if my eqn is correct? And can you advise what to do after this?
I wanted to do COLM but i don't know what is the initial part.
That equation could be useful if you wanted to find the speed with which the small piece hit the ground, but you don't care about that.
What other conservation law might apply?
 
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haruspex said:
That equation could be useful if you wanted to find the speed with which the small piece hit the ground, but you don't care about that.
What other conservation law might apply?
Conservation of momentum?
 
wcjy said:
Conservation of momentum?
Right. Across what event?
 
haruspex said:
Right. Across what event?
the explosion of the 8kg mass?
 
wcjy said:
the explosion of the 8kg mass?
Yes.
 
haruspex said:
Yes.
but i thought it does not have initial velocity so i can't apply it in the formula
 
wcjy said:
but i thought it does not have initial velocity so i can't apply it in the formula
The question as stated in post #1 does not make it clear, but you will have to assume zero initial velocity. Why is that a difficulty?
 
haruspex said:
The question as stated in post #1 does not make it clear, but you will have to assume zero initial velocity. Why is that a difficulty?
does that mean the eqn for colm is:
8*0 = m1(v1) + m2(v2)
 
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wcjy said:
does that mean the eqn for colm is:
8*0 = m1(v1) + m2(v2)
Yes.
 
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