Kinetic Energy & Intrinsic Angular Momentum

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The discussion revolves around the equation for kinetic energy, specifically why the velocity is squared in the formula (1/2)mv^2. Participants explore the relationship between kinetic energy, velocity, and intrinsic angular momentum, questioning whether changes in angular momentum relate to the squaring of velocity.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the kinetic energy formula includes the square of velocity, suggesting a possible connection to intrinsic angular momentum.
  • Another participant points out that momentum is defined as mv, indicating a distinction between momentum and kinetic energy.
  • Several participants express confusion about why doubling velocity results in quadrupling kinetic energy, with references to external resources for clarification.
  • One participant suggests that the relationship may not have a deeper explanation and is simply a characteristic of the equation.
  • A participant introduces the concept of gravitational potential energy and its proportionality to height, linking it to the squared velocity in kinetic energy.
  • Another participant mentions empirical observations related to the depth of indentations in soft clay being proportional to v^2, questioning the relevance of angular momentum to the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the connection between kinetic energy and intrinsic angular momentum. While some agree on the mathematical relationship of kinetic energy to velocity, others remain uncertain about the underlying reasons for the squared term.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference external articles and derivations, but there is no agreement on a definitive explanation for the squaring of velocity in the kinetic energy equation. The discussion includes various interpretations and assumptions that remain unresolved.

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I had a question about the equation (1/2)mv^2...

Why is the velocity squared? Why not simply (1/2)mv? Does it have anything to do with the intrinsic angular momentum ie does the intrinsic angular momentum change in anyway as velocity increases in a particular reference frame leading to the squaring of velocity in the (1/2)mv^2 KE equation?
 
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##mv## is the magnitude of momentum.

There are a number of ways to derive the equation for kinetic energy. Have you looked online for one of them?
 
I have looked through the wikipedia article on KE, but still trying to understand why a doubling of velocity means a quadrupling of the energy.
 
PeroK said:
Interesting article... it states:

  • Kinetic energy depends on the velocity of the object squared. This means that when the velocity of an object doubles, its kinetic energy quadruples. A car traveling at 60 mph has four times the kinetic energy of an identical car traveling at 30 mph, and hence the potential for four times more death and destruction in the event of a crash.
So I understand a car traveling twice as fast has 4 times as much KE... but I'm not sure if it answers my original question...

Does it have anything to do with the intrinsic angular momentum ie does the intrinsic angular momentum change in anyway as velocity increases in a particular reference frame leading to the squaring of velocity in the (1/2)mv^2 = KE equation?
 
metastable said:
Interesting article... it states:

  • Kinetic energy depends on the velocity of the object squared. This means that when the velocity of an object doubles, its kinetic energy quadruples. A car traveling at 60 mph has four times the kinetic energy of an identical car traveling at 30 mph, and hence the potential for four times more death and destruction in the event of a crash.
So I understand a car traveling twice as fast has 4 times as much KE... but I'm not sure if it answers my original question...

Does it have anything to do with the intrinsic angular momentum ie does the intrinsic angular momentum change in anyway as velocity increases in a particular reference frame leading to the squaring of velocity in the (1/2)mv^2 = KE equation?

It has nothing to do with intrinsic angular momentum.

The page I linked to explained it all - unless you skipped over the maths!
 
If we use : W=m⋅d⋅((vf^2−vi^2) / 2d) from the article the velocity is squared as well. Perhaps I am asking a question with no real answer ie there is no "why..." it just is the way it is and there's an equation that describes it.
 
metastable said:
If we use : W=m⋅d⋅((vf^2−vi^2) / 2d) from the article the velocity is squared as well. Perhaps I am asking a question with no real answer ie there is no "why..." it just is the way it is and there's an equation that describes it.

The derivation is reasonably elementary in that it only uses the concept of work = force x distance.

You can also look at it as follows. Imagine moving an object up in a gravitational field. As it moves it gains potential energy. In a uniform field it must gain the same energy for every ##1m## it is raised. Why? Because every ##1m## up is just the same as the ##1m## before and the ##1m## after.

The GPE (gravitational PE) must be proportional to the height it is raised. It turns out that it is ##mgh##, but any constant times ##mh## would do.

You also have the kinematic formula ##v^2 = 2gh##, which can be derived simply, for an object falling from rest under constant gravity.

Hence ##v^2## and not ##v## must be proportional to GPE. And, hence, you have ##v^2## in the formula for KE.
 
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Also, early work studying the depth of indentions in soft clay showed that the depth was proportional to v^2.

I have no idea how angular momentum came into this thread. It is completely unrelated as far as I can see.
 

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