Kinetics Question: Solving for Velocity and Displacement

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The discussion revolves around solving a kinetics problem involving velocity and displacement. Participants are attempting to integrate a velocity function to find displacement, while addressing potential errors in integration and the interpretation of results.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an attempt at solving for displacement using integration but expresses uncertainty about their methodology.
  • Several participants point out potential errors in the integration process, particularly regarding the integration of the exponential function.
  • There is a discussion about the correct form of the integral and the importance of including constants correctly.
  • A participant questions whether the negative value obtained for distance is due to the distinction between displacement and distance, suggesting that the sign of the constant affects the interpretation of the motion.
  • Another participant provides a general formula for integrating an exponential function, encouraging the original poster to identify their mistake.
  • Participants discuss the implications of the constant "b" on the direction of motion and how it affects the sign of the displacement result.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that there are errors in the integration process and that the interpretation of the results requires careful consideration of the signs involved. However, there is no consensus on the correct integration steps or the final interpretation of the displacement versus distance.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential misunderstandings of the integration process, dependence on the correct interpretation of constants, and unresolved steps in the integration that may affect the final results.

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The Attempt at a Solution


v = ds/dt

∫v dt = ∫ds

(put all inital values for V)
∫70-70e^t dt = ds

70t - 70t*e^t = s

There is something wrong with my methodology. can you guide me here?
 

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Looks like you did not integrate [itex]e^{-bt}[/itex] correctly. Check you last eqution. You have something extra there.
 
uzman1243 said:
∫70-70e^t dt = ds

70t - 70t*e^t = s

Are you sure that is the correct integral?


Edit:
Sorry, I didn't see Mr-R's post when I posted this
 
Mr-R said:
Looks like you did not integrate [itex]e^{-bt}[/itex] correctly. Check you last eqution. You have something extra there.

∫v0 (1-e^(-b*t))

∫v0 - v0*e^(-b*t)

= v0*t - V0*e^(-b*t) + c

is that correct?
 
uzman1243 said:
∫v0 (1-e^(-b*t))

∫v0 - v0*e^(-b*t)

= v0*t - V0*e^(-b*t) + c

is that correct?
Well the constant c is nice :smile:. Missing something from [itex]e^{-bt}[/itex] when you intagrated it though.

Edit: are you writing b explicitly or just its value? If you just substitute its value there then your integral is correct. (looks like you did not)
 
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Mr-R said:
Well the constant c is nice :smile:. Missing something from [itex]e^{-bt}[/itex] when you intagrated it though.

Edit: are you writing b explicitly or just its value? If you just substitute its value there then your integral is correct. (looks like you did not)

Can you show me the integration?
 
uzman1243 said:
Can you show me the integration?

Of course I can, but I know you can do it by yourself so I will give an example.

[itex]∫e^{Cx}dx=\frac{1}{C}e^{Cx}+c[/itex]

Can you see you mistake and fix your integral now?
 
Mr-R said:
Of course I can, but I know you can do it by yourself so I will give an example.

[itex]∫e^{Cx}dx=\frac{1}{C}e^{Cx}+c[/itex]

Can you see you mistake and fix your integral now?

v0*t + (V0*e^(-b*t))/b + c

Yes. That should be it? Now I sub in all the values and find the constant C and my final answer for distance is -1126m. The answer is correct but it should be a positive value.
Is this because my answer is displacement and the question requires distance (just magnitude only)?
 
uzman1243 said:
v0*t + (V0*e^(-b*t))/b + c

Yes. That should be it? Now I sub in all the values and find the constant C and my final answer for distance is -1126m. The answer is correct but it should be a positive value.
Is this because my answer is displacement and the question requires distance (just magnitude only)?

Well the function describes a train moving with a velocity that has a negative sign(if b=-1 see below). If they defined the positive direction to be the right direction. Then the function gives you a backwards moving train.

See the attached file,

The first graph is your given equation (velocity). The second graph is the distance which you found by integrating.

Examine the given equation(velocity) and you will notice that "b" is the constant which makes the velocity to be positive or negative. If b=1 then the train will travel in the positive direction and you will end up with positive distance.
 

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