Km and km: Is the Difference Real?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the validity of using "Km" to represent 1024 meters and "km" to represent 1000 meters, exploring the implications of these definitions within the context of the SI system and alternative standards.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that "Km" is not a valid unit according to the SI system, which only recognizes "k" for 1000 meters.
  • Others mention a 1998 standard that uses "Kim" for Kibi meter (1024 m), suggesting that this usage is limited to the IT context and not widely accepted in physics.
  • One participant provides a link to guidelines on metric unit capitalization, emphasizing that prefixes are lower case for units smaller than 10^6.
  • Another viewpoint suggests that using "K" (1024) should be restricted to contexts involving counting information, such as data storage, rather than physical measurements like length.
  • Some participants note that the SI system does not address counting information or binary systems, and that IEC prefixes for binary powers exist but are not part of the SI.
  • A more unconventional perspective argues that the Metre Convention is biased towards decimal systems and suggests alternative number systems for simpler conversions.
  • One participant states that conventions themselves are subjective and can be deemed useful or not, without asserting a definitive truth.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity and appropriateness of using "Km" versus "km," with no consensus reached on the matter. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the acceptance of these terms in various contexts.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of units, the context of their usage, and the acceptance of alternative standards, which remain unresolved.

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Mod note: Moved from Precalc section of Homework & Coursework
1. Homework Statement


Km = 1024 m
km = 1000 m

Is this true or not? Because K = 2^10 while k = 10^3?

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The SI system of units only allows the use of the kilo = 103 with the symbol k, so "Km" is not valid.
 
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Hi,

You want to confuse everyone ? Then do such things in your communication !

According to some 1998 standard you would use Kim for Kibi meter = 1024 m... (*)
But using that standard outside the IT world is nefarious. And inside, I 'm not aware it has gained any popularity either.

(*) Then there is a JEDEC standard draft that, again, should remain in the IT world, far, far from physics.

By the way, why did you post in a math forum ?
 
You will avoid confusion if K (1024) is used only in the context of counting information. For example, if you buy a 8 GB flash drive, you can be assured that it is an integer multiple of 1024 bytes. As far as I know, the SI system of units does not even address counting information, nor numbering systems other than base 10.

K (1024) should never be used for things like length in meters.

In natural language, we have homonyms. Words with different meanings that sound alike. In this case, K (1024) and k (1000) are like homonyms. It is up to all of us to keep them separate.
 
anorlunda said:
As far as I know, the SI system of units does not even address counting information, nor numbering systems other than base 10.
Indeed:
https://www.bipm.org/utils/common/pdf/si_brochure_8_en.pdf said:
These SI prefixes refer strictly to powers of 10. They should not be used to indicate powers of 2 (for example, one kilobit represents 1000 bits and not 1024 bits). The IEC has adopted prefixes for binary powers in the international standard IEC 60027-2: 2005, third edition, Letter symbols to be used in electrical technology – Part 2: Telecommunications and electronics.

[...]

Although these prefixes are not part of the SI, they should be used in the field of information technology to avoid the incorrect usage of the SI prefixes.
 
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The Metre Convention was prejudiced. Full of speciests. Every one of the delegates came from a species with 10 fingers. There are alternatives that are much simpler and are easy to convert to binary:

With a hexadecimal number system:
Kilo = 2A = 400
Mega =214 = 100,000
Giga = 21E = 40,000,000

In octal:
Kilo =212=2,000
Mega = 224 = 4,000,000
Giga = 236=10,000,000,000
 
YoshiMoshi said:
Is this true or not?
Conventions are neither. They can be useful or not.
 

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