KVL Analysis for Solving Vx: Why Can We Ignore the 6 Amp Source?

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The discussion revolves around the application of Kirchhoff's Voltage Law (KVL) in a circuit analysis problem, specifically addressing the treatment of a 6 amp current source in relation to a 2 ohm resistor while solving for the voltage Vx. Participants explore the implications of ignoring the current source in the KVL equation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question why the 6 amp current source was ignored in the KVL analysis, noting that no voltage can drop across an ideal current source.
  • Others argue that since the 6 A current source and the 2 Ω resistor are in parallel, they must have the same potential drop, which justifies the approach taken in the KVL analysis.
  • There is confusion regarding the sign of the voltage drop across the 2 Ω resistor, with some participants suggesting that the upward direction of the current should indicate a positive voltage drop, while others clarify that current sources maintain the required current regardless of voltage polarity.
  • Participants discuss how to determine the sign of the voltage drop across the resistor, with one suggesting that a "KVL walk" around the loop can clarify the potential changes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the treatment of the current source and the sign of the voltage drop across the resistor. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing interpretations of the KVL application.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of voltage polarity and the implications of ignoring the current source in the KVL analysis. The discussion does not reach a consensus on these points.

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the question is to solve Vx. chegg did a kvl in the middle mesh and it turned out to be -2+Vx+8=0, i was wondering why they just ignored the 6 amp source in the kvl. i understand no voltage can be dropped across an ideal current source so why can we just skip over the 6 amp source and go to the 2 ohm resistor
 
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Jeremy Burke said:
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the question is to solve Vx. chegg did a kvl in the middle mesh and it turned out to be -2+Vx+8=0, i was wondering why they just ignored the 6 amp source in the kvl. i understand no voltage can be dropped across an ideal current source so why can we just skip over the 6 amp source and go to the 2 ohm resistor

The 6 A current source and the 2 Ω resistor are in parallel, so they MUST have the same potential drop.

An ideal current source will produce any potential difference necessary in order that it maintains its specified current.
 
then i don't understand why the solution was showing -2. since the current is point upward, wouldn't that make the positive end on the bottom, making it +2 and not -2
 
Jeremy Burke said:
then i don't understand why the solution was showing -2. since the current is point upward, wouldn't that make the positive end on the bottom, making it +2 and not -2
Current sources don't care about voltage polarity. They simply maintain the required current in the specified direction. Again, an ideal current source will produce any potential difference necessary in order that it maintains its specified current. Even if that potential change is negative in the direction of the current.
 
then how do we decide whether or not the 2 is positive or negative
 
Jeremy Burke said:
then how do we decide whether or not the 2 is positive or negative
In this case, taking your "KVL walk" around the loop including the 2 Ω resistor does the trick. In the figure below, the first potential change is -2 V as you "walk" through that resistor:

Fig1.gif
 

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