Lagrangian and Euler-Lagrange equation question

In summary, the conversation is about a question involving the Euler-Lagrange equation and the speaker is having trouble with part (d). They provide their attempts at solving the equations and ask for comments. The other person suggests using the fact that ##m_1 r^2 \dot\theta = k## and the speaker decides to try this approach. The conversation ends with the speaker thanking the other person and stating that they will try this suggestion.
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Sekonda
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Hey,

I'm having trouble with part (d) of the question displayed below:

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I reckon I'm doing the θ Euler-Lagrange equation wrong, I get :

[tex]\frac{\mathrm{d} }{\mathrm{d} t}(\frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{\theta}})-\frac{\partial L}{\partial \theta}=\frac{\mathrm{d} }{\mathrm{d} t}(m_{1}r^{2}\dot{\theta})=0[/tex]

and for the 'r' EL equation I get:

[tex]\frac{\mathrm{d} }{\mathrm{d} t}(\frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{r}})-\frac{\partial L}{\partial r}=m_{1}\ddot{r}+m_{2}\ddot{r}-m_{1}r\dot{\theta}^{2}-m_{2}g=0[/tex]

In the theta equation I was originally just differentiating the theta with repsects to time, but the r^2 term also has a time dependence, I tried doing this and didn't know where to go from there... I'll have another go.

Any comments are appreciated,
Thanks,
SK
 
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  • #2
From ##\frac{d}{dt} m_1 r^2 \dot\theta = 0## you can conclude that ##m_1 r^2 \dot\theta = k##.
 
  • #3
Thanks

Thanks I'll go and try that and see where that leads me, I think I tried this before but was obviously doing something wrong as the force wasn't central in the end...

Cheers!
SK
 

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What is the Lagrangian and Euler-Lagrange equation?

The Lagrangian and Euler-Lagrange equation are mathematical tools used in classical mechanics to describe the motion of a system of particles. The Lagrangian is a function that contains information about the kinetic and potential energies of the system, while the Euler-Lagrange equation is a differential equation that is used to find the equations of motion for the system.

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