Lagrangian of a double pendulum, finding kinetic energy

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The discussion focuses on deriving the Lagrangian for a double pendulum, highlighting the potential and kinetic energy equations for both masses involved. The potential energy for the first mass is given as U1 = m1gL1, while the second mass's potential energy includes contributions from both pendulum arms. The kinetic energy for the second mass incorporates a cosine term, which arises from the vector addition of the velocities of the two masses and is explained through the cosine of the angle between them. This cosine term is essential for accurately calculating the total kinetic energy using the cosine rule. Understanding these derivations is crucial for grasping the dynamics of the double pendulum system.
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Homework Statement
Find the lagrangian of the double pendulum, kinetic energy
Relevant Equations
L=T-U
This is from Taylor's classical mechanichs, 11.4, example of finding the Lagrangian of the double pendulum
Relevant figure attached below
Angle between the two velocities of second mass is
$$\phi_2-\phi_1$$
Potential energy
$$U_1=m_1gL_1$$
$$U_2=m_2g[L_1\cos(1-\phi_1)+L_2(1-\phi_2)]$$
$$(U\phi_1,phi_2)=m_1gL_1+m_2g[L_1\cos(1-\phi_1)+L_2(1-\phi_2)]$$
Kinetic energy of the second mass in the double pendulum
$$T_1=\frac{1}{2}m_1L_1^2\dot\phi_1^2$$
$$T_2=\frac{1}{2} m_2[L_1^2\dot\phi_1^2+2L_1L_2\dot\phi_2\dot\phi_1\cos(\phi_1-\phi_2)+L_2^2\dot\phi_2^2]$$
Where $$ T_2=\frac{1}{2}m_2(v_1+L_2\dot\phi_2)^2$$
I am trouble understanding the cos term here. Does it come from the unit vector? Can someone explain why it's involved, because I could not follow why it's here after squaring the velocity for the second kinetic energy
$$2L_1L_2\dot\phi_2\dot\phi_1\cos(\phi_1-\phi_2)$$
 

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If you want to understand where the KE of the second mass comes from, then start with the position of the second mass: $$(x, y) = (L_1\sin \phi_1 +L_2 \sin \phi_2, L_1\cos \phi_1 + L_2\cos \phi_2)$$Then differentiate.

The ##\cos(\phi_1 - \phi_2)## term arises from the relevant trig identity for a cosine of a difference of angles.
 
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You get the velocity of the second particle by adding the two contributions ##L_1 \dot{\phi}_1## (varying ##\phi_1## whilst keeping ##\phi_2## fixed) and ##L_2 \dot{\phi}_2## (varying ##\phi_2## whilst keeping ##\phi_1## fixed) vectorially. Joining the vectors tip to tail, the angle between them is ##\pi - (\phi_2 - \phi_1)## so cosine rule states ##v^2 = L_1^2 \dot{\phi}_1^2 + L_2^2 \dot{\phi}_2^2 + 2L_1 L_2 \dot{\phi}_1 \dot{\phi}_2 \cos{(\phi_2 - \phi_1)}##.
 
I want to find the solution to the integral ##\theta = \int_0^{\theta}\frac{du}{\sqrt{(c-u^2 +2u^3)}}## I can see that ##\frac{d^2u}{d\theta^2} = A +Bu+Cu^2## is a Weierstrass elliptic function, which can be generated from ##\Large(\normalsize\frac{du}{d\theta}\Large)\normalsize^2 = c-u^2 +2u^3## (A = 0, B=-1, C=3) So does this make my integral an elliptic integral? I haven't been able to find a table of integrals anywhere which contains an integral of this form so I'm a bit stuck. TerryW

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