Laminar Flow through a Tringular Duct

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The discussion revolves around analyzing laminar flow in a triangular duct, specifically focusing on deriving the velocity distribution and calculating average and maximum velocities, as well as mass flow rate. The context includes theoretical aspects of fluid mechanics, particularly the application of Navier-Stokes equations to a non-circular geometry.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses frustration with fluid transport concepts and seeks assistance in understanding laminar flow in a triangular duct.
  • Another participant notes that the velocity distribution must be a function of both x and y, and emphasizes the need to apply appropriate boundary conditions for the triangular geometry.
  • There is a discussion about the correct boundary conditions, with one participant suggesting four conditions based on the geometry of the duct.
  • One participant proposes a specific form for the velocity profile and mentions substituting boundary conditions into the governing equations, indicating they are stuck at this point.
  • Another participant suggests using the hydraulic diameter for calculations related to circular pipe flow equations, implying a potential simplification for analysis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the necessity of applying Navier-Stokes equations and boundary conditions, but there is disagreement regarding the correct formulation of these conditions and the velocity profile. The discussion remains unresolved as participants explore different approaches and interpretations.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the flow profile and the specific boundary conditions required for the triangular duct geometry. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the correct application of fluid dynamics principles in this context.

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I'm currently a freshman chemical engineer at Penn State and I've gotten so frustrated at fluid transport that I have resorted to online forums for one last desperate attempt to try and figure out what exactly is going on. This question is part of a long agonizing 2 week homework assignment and I just want to finish it and be done with it. Anyway I'm attaching a file that has to do with a question discussing Laminar Flow in a triangular tube, I just need someone to walk me through this conundrum to try and find an answer.

Here's the jist of the question since I can't seem to get the upload to work:

Can't seem to get the upload to work, here's the question
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IN order to analyze the performance of such an apparatus, it is necessary to understand pressure driven flow in a duct whose cross section is an equilateral triangle.

a.) Verify that the velocity distribution for the laminar flow of a Newtonian fluid in a duct of this type is given by : vz= ((P1-P2)/(4uLH))(y-H)(3x^2-y^2)

b.) From eqn 1, find the avg velocity, max velocity, and mass flow rate.
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For the picture, it's a triangular shaped duct, with an x-y coordinate system situated at the bottom of an upside down triangle. The top of the upside down triangle is y=H and the left and right side are -sqrt(3)x and sqrt(3)x respectively. Thanks again.

I'm assuming Navier-Stokes equations will work here since we've got a laminar Newtonian fluid, and we'll be integrating these somehow to get this velocity profile in the z direction. It's just the whole triangular cross section that is throwing me off, what about shear stresses in particular how do those conceptually function versus let's say, a cylindrical tube? Any help in a timely fashion will be greatly appreciated.

What I've got:
Using boundary conditions y=H, v(z)=0 and y=0, v(z)=0 and simplifying the navier stokes into dp/dz=u(d2vz/dy2). Now, before I get all crazy and start integrating I need to know where the triangle aspect comes in and where the (3x^2-y^2) comes into play and how.

Also for part 2, when finding the area of this triangle, I'm assuming you put it in terms of H, so for the 1/A term you'd have 1/(H^2/(sqrt(3))) ? Then you would integrate in terms of dydx from 0 to H for y and -H/(sqrt(3)) to H/(sqrt(3)) for x correct?

Thanks again!
 
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Guderian said:
For the picture, it's a triangular shaped duct, with an x-y coordinate system situated at the bottom of an upside down triangle. The top of the upside down triangle is y=H and the left and right side are -sqrt(3)x and sqrt(3)x respectively. Thanks again.

I'm assuming Navier-Stokes equations will work here since we've got a laminar Newtonian fluid, and we'll be integrating these somehow to get this velocity profile in the z direction. It's just the whole triangular cross section that is throwing me off, what about shear stresses in particular how do those conceptually function versus let's say, a cylindrical tube? Any help in a timely fashion will be greatly appreciated.

Yeah, you have to solve the NS eqns for this geometry. First of all, if I understand your question correctly, note that v_z will be a function of *both* x and y.

Once you simplify the NS equations, you'd get

[tex]\mu \left(\frac{\partial^2 v_z}{\partial x^2} + \frac{\partial^2 v_z}{\partial y^2}\right) = \frac{\partial p}{\partial z}[/tex]

You need to solve this equation with the appropriate boundary conditions.

What I've got:
Using boundary conditions y=H, v(z)=0 and y=0, v(z)=0 and simplifying the navier stokes into dp/dz=u(d2vz/dy2). Now, before I get all crazy and start integrating I need to know where the triangle aspect comes in and where the (3x^2-y^2) comes into play and how.

As I pointed out above, the NS equation you wrote is incorrect, because v_z depends on both x and y. Also, the physical boundary condition is the no-slip boundary condition. That is, the velocity of fluid at the walls are zero. You have written the boundary conditions at the base of the triangular duct, and the vertex. What about the walls of the triangular duct? This is where the triangle aspect comes in.

Can you sovle it from here?
 
I'll need 4 boundary conditions for this right?

So:

1. vz(x, H) = 0 and
2. vz(x>=0, sqrt(3)*x) = 0 and vz(x<0, -sqrt(3)*x) = 0

What am I missing here?
 
Figured it all out guys, thanks!
 
Guderian said:
I'll need 4 boundary conditions for this right?

So:

1. vz(x, H) = 0 and
2. vz(x>=0, sqrt(3)*x) = 0 and vz(x<0, -sqrt(3)*x) = 0

What am I missing here?

The second BC doesn't seem right. If the vertex of the triangular duct is at y=H, and the sides are at +/- sqrt(3), then the sides are y=-/+sqrt(3) + 3.
 
i wouldn't worry about it

just use the hydraulic diameter for the value of D in the circular pipe flow equations.
 
Guderian said:
Figured it all out guys, thanks!

Hi buddy, I'm analyzing the same problem and I'm using the same boundary conditions that you described above. I still can not figure out the form to solve the problem. I firstly assumed a form of the velocity profile as

[tex]\itshape{u(x,y)}=Ax^{2}+By^{2}+C[/tex]

I substituted both the boundary conditions on the previous assumption and the previous equation in the govern equation of momentum conservation. Now, I'm stuck with the problem.

Any recommendations are welcomed.
 

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