Landau: Explaining the Definition of "Number of States with Energy

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The discussion revolves around the definition of the "number of states with energy" as presented in Landau's Statistical Physics, specifically in the context of statistical mechanics. Participants explore the interpretation of the equation for the number of states within a given energy interval and the relationship between different probability distributions related to energy states.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether \(\Gamma(E)\) should be understood as a continuous function, suggesting that \(\frac{\mathrm{d}\Gamma(E)}{\mathrm{d}E}\) can be interpreted as a derivative.
  • Another participant agrees that for large ensembles, the number of discrete states approaches infinity, allowing for a continuous distribution.
  • A different participant notes that Landau's treatment applies to quantum mechanical systems, indicating that \(w_n = w(E_n)\) represents the distribution function derived from the density matrix.
  • One participant distinguishes between probability \(P\) and probability density function (PDF) \(p\), explaining that \(W(E)dE\) represents the probability of the system being in a state with energy between \(E\) and \(E+dE\), linking it to the product of the PDF \(w(E)\) and the number of states \(d\Gamma(E)\).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying interpretations of the definitions and relationships between the functions involved, indicating that multiple competing views remain without a clear consensus on the nuances of the definitions.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the dependence on the context of statistical mechanics and quantum systems, as well as the potential confusion between different types of probability distributions and their interpretations.

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Question about Landau: Definition of "Number of states with energy" in an interval

Hey! I am currently reading Landau's Statistical Physics Part 1, and in Paragraph 7 ("Entropy") I am struggling with a definition.

Right before Equation (7.1) he gives the "required number of states with energy between E and E+\mathrm{d}E" as:
\frac{\mathrm{d}\Gamma(E)}{\mathrm{d}E} \mathrm{d}E

I don't understand this equation. Am I supposed to understand \Gamma(E) as a continuous function, and therefore \frac{\mathrm{d}\Gamma(E)}{\mathrm{d}E} as a derivative?

Furthermore, how is the energy probability distribution
W(E) = \frac{\mathrm{d}\Gamma(E)}{\mathrm{d}E} w(E)
different from w(E). Isn't w(E) kind of a probability distribution by itself?
 
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For your first question, yes. For the enormous ensembles considered by stat mech (typically 10^23 particles or larger), the number of discrete states approaches infinity so their distribution may be considered continuous.

For the second question, what is w(E)? I don't have access to the text right now...
 


Landau considers that part for a quantum mechanical system. w_n = w(E_n) is the distribution function for the system.

He gets there from the diagonal elements of the density matrix w_n = w_{nn} (since the statistical distributions must be stationary), which can be expressed as functions of the energy levels alone (assuming we have a system in a coordinate system, such that it is at rest and apart from the energy the other integrals of motion don't factor in) w_n=w_(E_n).
 


I think this is the usual distinction discussed in statistics between probability P and probability density function (PDF) p. Here W(E)dE is the probability of seeing the system in a state with energy between E and E+dE. It is given in terms of the product of the PDF w(E) and the number of states d\Gamma(E) in that interval.
 

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