Laplace's equation with unusual boundary conditions

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The discussion revolves around solving Laplace's equation, u_{xx} + u_{yy} = 0, on a semi-infinite domain with specific boundary conditions. The boundary condition involves a derivative relationship, u_y = (1/2)x u, at y=0, along with the condition u(0,0) = 1. Participants note that traditional methods like separation of variables may not be applicable due to the nature of the boundary conditions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss various approaches, including the application of transforms and the use of Fourier representations. There is a consideration of differentiating the boundary condition and the implications of the resulting ordinary differential equation. Questions arise regarding the necessity of additional boundary conditions and the behavior of solutions at infinity.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants sharing insights and exploring different methods. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of transforms and the implications of the boundary conditions, but there is no consensus on a definitive approach or solution yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the validity of differentiating the boundary condition with respect to y and the implications of the boundary conditions at infinity. There is a recognition that the problem may require unconventional methods due to the unusual boundary conditions presented.

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Homework Statement



Solve Laplace's equation

u_{xx} + u_{yy} = 0

on the semi-infinite domain -∞ < x < ∞, y > 0, subject to the boundary condition that u_y = (1/2)x u on y=0, with u(0,0) = 1. Note that separation of variables will not work, but a suitable transform can be applied.


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I'm very scattered about how to attempt this problem. My feeling is that you want to apply some transform in y to the equation. On the boundary, you would hope that taking the derivative with respect to y gives you some equation involving u(0,0), or at least u(0,x), which you could use along with the right hand side of the boundary equation - similar to what you get in a Laplace transform. The other obvious thing seems to be to solve the differential equation on the boundary to get u = exp(xy/2) + c(x), where c(0) = 0, but since you can't figure out anything else about c(x) from there, and u would not decay for large y, this seems just as futile.

The only other idea that occurs to me is to take a Fourier transform of u in x but with respect to y (so where you normally have exp(ikx) dx, you'd have exp(iyx) dx). But then the inverse transform, which involves an integral from -∞ to ∞, wouldn't work, since we only use y > 0.

Does anyone have some insight into this problem? Thanks!
 
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Start with u_y=1/2x*u, differentiate by y, you get u_yy=1/2x*u_y=1/4x^2*u on y=0. Then use the Laplace equation you get -u_xx=1/4x^2*u on y=0, you solve this ODE for your boundary condition, then use this boundary condition to solve your PDE. But a quick solution to the ODE yields something really unfamiliar, maybe there's another way ...
 
That's a very clever idea! I like it. Like you said, though, the solution to that is weird - plus since you now have a second order ODE, wouldn't you need two boundary conditions? We have one: u(0,0) = 1. It seems like the only other boundary condition that would make sense is that the solution has to vanish at infinity, but then you couldn't impose the condition that it vanishes at -infinity, right?

The solution to that ODE is in terms of parabolic cylinder functions of order -1/2 and in fact imaginary.
 
tjackson3 said:
That's a very clever idea! I like it. Like you said, though, the solution to that is weird - plus since you now have a second order ODE, wouldn't you need two boundary conditions? We have one: u(0,0) = 1. It seems like the only other boundary condition that would make sense is that the solution has to vanish at infinity, but then you couldn't impose the condition that it vanishes at -infinity, right?

The solution to that ODE is in terms of parabolic cylinder functions of order -1/2 and in fact imaginary.

As I thought it over what I did was invalid, the BC is only valid on the x axis, so I cannot differentiate with respect to y. I tried to treat u as the real part of an analytic function, but no luck. This is a curious problem though. Let me know if you are finally able to solve it. Good luck.
 
It seems like you'd want to apply a transformation of some sort to the equation that also hits the boundary condition.
 
Using a Fourier representation of u(x,0) on real axis, I was able to extend u to y>0 according to Laplace equation:
u(x,0)=∫ U(ω) exp(iωx) dω, and u(x,y)=∫ U(ω) exp(iωx-ωy) dω, sub into BC, I got u_x=i/2*x*u, and solving for U and u, I finally got u=exp(i/4*(x-i*y)^2). Only problem is this solution blows up as y→inf, maybe there's another solution that decays to zero (and blows up as y→-inf)
 
Wow, thank you for all the thought you've put into this! I'm confused though about how you went from the real axis into y > 0
 
Basically separation of variables, u=f(x)g(y), so that f''/f=-g''/g=-ω^2, then f(x)=exp(±iωx) and g(y)=exp(±ωy), and I made some choice of the signs. If you consider the other choice of signs, you might get another solution so that you can construct a solution that decay to 0 at inf.
 

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