Laplacian of 1/r in Darwin term

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical treatment of the Laplacian of the Coulomb potential, specifically the term \( \frac{1}{r} \) and its implications in the context of the Darwin term in quantum mechanics. Participants explore the nature of the Laplacian at the origin and the representation of delta functions in spherical coordinates.

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  • One participant notes that the Laplacian of \( \frac{1}{r} \) is often considered to yield either zero or \( -\frac{\delta(r)}{r^2} \), expressing uncertainty about the correct interpretation at the origin.
  • Another participant cites a relation that states \( \nabla^{2}|\frac{1}{\vec{r}}| = -4\pi \delta^{3}(\vec{r}) \), referencing a previous post for proof.
  • There is a discussion about the distinction between \( \delta(r) \) and \( \delta^{3}(r) \), with one participant questioning the necessity of including angular delta functions \( \delta(\phi) \) and \( \delta(\cos \theta) \) when \( \delta(r) \) already specifies a point.
  • Another participant clarifies that while \( \delta(r) \) and \( \delta^{3}(r) \) are related, they are not the same, and emphasizes the importance of angular dependence in certain potentials.

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Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the Laplacian of \( \frac{1}{r} \) at the origin, with no consensus reached regarding the inclusion of angular delta functions or the correct form of the Laplacian.

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The discussion highlights potential ambiguities in the definitions and representations of delta functions in different contexts, particularly in spherical coordinates, without resolving these ambiguities.

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The http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine_structure#Darwin_term" contains a (3D-)delta function as a result of taking the Laplacian of the Coulomb potential. I'm trying to find out why. I've been searching, and I've so far come across different views of the Laplacian of 1/r at the origin. Either it's considered zero, or

[tex] \nabla^2\frac 1 r = -\,\frac{\delta(r)}{r^2},[/tex]

but I can't find any reference that says it's [itex]\delta^3(r)[/itex]. It has the right units, but that's about all I can say about it. Could someone clarify this?
 
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The relation

[tex]\nabla^{2}|\frac{1}{\vec{r}}| = -4\pi \delta^{3}(\vec{r})[/tex]

is proved in post #10 of;

www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=200580

In spherical coordinates, the delta function can be written as

[tex]\delta^{3}(\vec{r}) = \frac{1}{r^{2}} \delta (r) \delta (\phi) \delta (\cos \theta )[/tex]

regards

sam
 
Ah, I see. I assumed [itex]\delta(r)[/itex] and [itex]\delta(\vec{r})[/itex] were pretty much the same thing, but I guess not. Thanks. Is there actually any point in including those delta functions in [itex]\phi[/itex] and [itex]\theta[/itex]? The delta function in [itex]r[/itex] narrows things down to a single point.
 
I assumed [itex]\delta(r)[/itex] and [itex]\delta(\vec{r})[/itex] were pretty much the same thing,

Yes, thse are the same thing! However, [itex]\delta(r)[/itex] is different from [itex]\delta^{3}(r)[/itex].

Is there actually any point in including those delta functions in [itex]\phi[/itex] and [itex]\theta[/itex]?

Well, the theta and the phi are there! you can't just leave them out. For certain potential you can integrate or average over the angular dependence. But, in general, potentials do depend on theta and phi.

sam
 

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