Laser triangulation / Range finder

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the principles of laser triangulation used in range finders, specifically addressing the necessity of moving the apparatus or the object to measure distance. Participants explore the relationship between the laser, CCD sensor, and lens, and question the need for a reference distance in the measurement process.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the necessity of moving the apparatus or object to measure distance, suggesting that knowing the orientation and distance of the laser relative to the lens and CCD should suffice.
  • Another participant points out that the formula used relies on the assumption that the distance (DZ) is not zero, implying a dependence on movement for accurate measurement.
  • There is a discussion about the relationship between the position of the ray spot on the CCD sensor and the angles involved, with some asserting that this relationship can be used to determine distance without movement.
  • A participant highlights the difference between the two illustrations provided, questioning the need for a reference distance and the advantages of the method compared to simple triangulation using known angles and a fixed distance.
  • Another participant clarifies that the illustrations depict different positions of the object, emphasizing that the sensor can distinguish between them without any movement.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of moving the apparatus or object for accurate distance measurement. There is no consensus on the advantages of using a reference distance versus a simpler triangulation method.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reveals uncertainties regarding the assumptions made in the formulas and the definitions of reference distances, as well as the implications of movement in the measurement process.

Anton Alice
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Hello.
On a german wiki article I have found the operation principle of a range finder:

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstandsmessung_(optisch)#Lasertriangulation

Here are two pictures for illustration:
Relation_triangulation.JPG

laserprofilometer_de.jpg


The Laser, the CCD sensor, and the lens are in a fixed relation to each other, inside a chassis.
Now it is said, that the scattering of the laser on the object surface is projected by the lens onto a point on the CCD. Then is is said, that in order to measure the distance of the object one has to either move the apparatus, or the object itself (which is illustrated by DZ in the second picture).

I don't understand why this is necessary. I could have measured the distance to the object without moving anything, because I know the orientation and distance of the laser relative to the lens and CCD. And by the position of the image point on the CCD chip I can determine the angle to the object.
Nothing more is needed...
 
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Anton Alice said:
Then is is said, that in order to measure the distance of the object one has to either move the apparatus, or the object itself (which is illustrated by DZ in the second picture).
Where? The German wikipedia article does not claim that.
 
Well, not explicitly, but the formula relies on the fact, that DZ is not zero.
The question is, why do I derive a formula depending on DZ, if it is also possible to measure the distance much easier? I mean, the position of the ray spot on the CCD sensor can be absolutely related to an angle, right?
 
The formulas there use differences relative to some (known, fixed) reference distance which leads to a known point at the camera.
Anton Alice said:
I mean, the position of the ray spot on the CCD sensor can be absolutely related to an angle, right?
It is.
 
First: The first picture and the second picture are somewhat different: With "reference distance" you mean the x0 from the first picture, i guess.
In the second picture there is no known reference distance. There is a DZ-travel in space, and a corresponding dz-travel on the CCD. so both the positions x and x+DZ are unknown. The distance is then so to speak calculated by the derivative: " If DZ creates a dz with such a rate, then the distance x must be such and such".

Why do I need a reference distance at all? What is the advantage of this method compared to a simple triangulation by 2 know angles and 1 know distance between laser and CCD?
 
Anton Alice said:
There is a DZ-travel in space, and a corresponding dz-travel on the CCD.
Nothing moves. The illustration just shows two different possible positions of the object, and as you can see from the different response in the cameras, the sensor can distinguish between them (=it can measure the distance because different distances lead to different measurement results).
 

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