LC circuit analysis problems with 2 voltage sources

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The discussion revolves around analyzing a transient LC circuit with two voltage sources, focusing on finding the voltage across a specific component (v0(t)) for t>0 after the circuit has been switched. Participants explore the application of superposition, the behavior of the circuit before and after the switch is opened, and the implications of the ideal voltage sources on circuit isolation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest using the superposition method to analyze the circuit by first considering one voltage source at a time.
  • There is a discussion about the equivalent resistance (Req) of the circuit when using the 12V source, calculated as (2||6) + (3+1||3).
  • Participants question the behavior of the circuit when the 12V source is shorted, specifically whether the current will bypass the right side of the circuit.
  • One participant asserts that the 12V source isolates the right side of the circuit from the left side, leading to the conclusion that the current through the inductor (iL(0-)) for the 3V source would be zero.
  • Another participant agrees with this isolation effect and emphasizes that the ideal voltage source will maintain its potential regardless of the current required.
  • There is a suggestion that to find iL(∞), one only needs to consider the right side of the circuit, leading to the assumption that it will equal the current through the 1Ω resistor.
  • Participants discuss the implications of opening the switch and whether the left side of the circuit should be included in calculations for t<0.
  • One participant proposes that if the circuit is cut in half at the 12V source, connecting separate 12V sources to each half would not change the behavior of the circuit.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the isolation effect of the 12V source and the application of superposition, but there are differing views on the treatment of the left side of the circuit for t<0 and the implications of opening the switch.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the behavior of the circuit components before and after the switch is opened, particularly concerning the role of the 2Ω and 6Ω resistors in the analysis.

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Homework Statement



. In the following transient circuit, assume at t<0, the circuit is at steady state.
Find v0(t) for t>0
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/c0.0.354.354/p403x403/546839_509413575744829_42997155_n.jpg

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


The first thing that I was suggested to do was to always find iL(t)
so since we have 2 source of voltage. I will be using superposition method.

First let use the 12V source only
Req for the circuit will be: (2||6) + (3+1||3)
Use Req to find the current source due to the 12V and by using current divider rule we can obtain iL(0-)

then move on to the 3V source
at this point, I am having trouble, so when we short out the 12V, will the current just go through the wire where the 12V used to be and skip the right side of the circuit?
but if it is so then iL(0-) for this source will be 0?, which doesn't seem right to me.

ok, assume that we actually figured out the value for iL(0-) then to find iL(∞) we only have to deal with the right side of the circuit.
so iL(∞) will be equal to the current going through the 1Ω ?

and Rth for t>0 will be 3+(1||3) this can be use to find time constant.

so suppose we got our equation for iL(t)
to find Vo(t) we can try to find io(t) from current divider rule
iL(t)= io(t) X (3/4)

and once io(t) is obtained, we multiply that by 3Ω to get Vo(t)

thanks for your time.
 
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qpham26 said:

Homework Statement



. In the following transient circuit, assume at t<0, the circuit is at steady state.
Find v0(t) for t>0
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/c0.0.354.354/p403x403/546839_509413575744829_42997155_n.jpg

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


The first thing that I was suggested to do was to always find iL(t)
so since we have 2 source of voltage. I will be using superposition method.

First let use the 12V source only
Req for the circuit will be: (2||6) + (3+1||3)
Use Req to find the current source due to the 12V and by using current divider rule we can obtain iL(0-)

then move on to the 3V source {24V source?}
at this point, I am having trouble, so when we short out the 12V, will the current just go through the wire where the 12V used to be and skip the right side of the circuit?
Yes.
but if it is so then iL(0-) for this source will be 0?, which doesn't seem right to me.
It is correct. The 12V source, situated where it is, effectively isolates the "right hand side" of the circuit from the "left hand side". Nothing that happens to the left of that supply can change the potential across that supply; it's an ideal source and will source or sink ANY current required to maintain that potential.
 
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gneill said:
Yes.
It is correct. The 12V source, situated where it is, effectively isolates the "right hand side" of the circuit from the "left hand side". Nothing that happens to the left of that supply can change the potential across that supply; it's an ideal source and will source or sink ANY current required to maintain that potential.

Right. This is a 'trick' question!
 
qpham26 said:

The Attempt at a Solution


The first thing that I was suggested to do was to always find iL(t)
so since we have 2 source of voltage. I will be using superposition method.

First let use the 12V source only
Req for the circuit will be: (2||6) + (3+1||3)
Use Req to find the current source due to the 12V and by using current divider rule we can obtain iL(0-)

The left side of the circuit is isolated from the right side because of the position of the 12V source. The current through the inductor is governed by the right side circuit only, which contains an equivalent resistance (3 + (1||3)).

then to find iL(∞) we only have to deal with the right side of the circuit.
so iL(∞) will be equal to the current going through the 1Ω ?

Yes. You may want to consider if anything has actually changed by opening the switch.
 
aralbrec said:
The left side of the circuit is isolated from the right side because of the position of the 12V source. The current through the inductor is governed by the right side circuit only, which contains an equivalent resistance (3 + (1||3)).



Yes. You may want to consider if anything has actually changed by opening the switch.

but for t<0, before the switch is open, don't we need to include the 2Ω and 6Ω?

as for calculating the time constant, then we can just remove everything on the left side.
 
qpham26 said:
but for t<0, before the switch is open, don't we need to include the 2Ω and 6Ω?

If you cut the circuit in half through the 12V source and separated the left side from the right side, then connected two separate 12V sources to each of the two separated halves, nothing would change.
 

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