LC Circuit Maximum Charge Problem

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The discussion revolves around an oscillating LC circuit with given inductance and capacitance values. The original poster seeks to determine the maximum charge on the capacitor, starting from an initial condition where the charge is zero and a specific current is present.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between charge, current, and phase in the context of the LC circuit. There are attempts to derive the maximum charge using trigonometric identities and the implications of initial conditions. Questions arise regarding the phase difference and its significance in the equations.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, discussing various interpretations of the phase and its implications. Some guidance has been offered regarding the phase angle, and there is an ongoing exploration of the conditions under which maximum energy storage occurs in the capacitor.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted confusion regarding the phase angle and its determination, as well as the implications of initial conditions on the maximum charge. The discussion reflects a lack of consensus on certain aspects, particularly the interpretation of the phase relationship in the circuit.

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Homework Statement



In an oscillating LC circuit, L = 2.93 mH and C = 3.21 μF. At t = 0 the charge on the capacitor is zero and the current is 2.14 A. What is the maximum charge (in C) that will appear on the capacitor?

Homework Equations



I know that for an LC Circuit, the charge q at a given time t is:
q = Q cos(wt + phi)

The Attempt at a Solution



At t = 0, q = 0;
Thus,
0 = Q cos(phi),
which implies Q = 0.

So the maximum charge is 0.

However this is not right.
Any help please?
 
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reising1 said:

Homework Statement



In an oscillating LC circuit, L = 2.93 mH and C = 3.21 μF. At t = 0 the charge on the capacitor is zero and the current is 2.14 A. What is the maximum charge (in C) that will appear on the capacitor?

Homework Equations



I know that for an LC Circuit, the charge q at a given time t is:
q = Q cos(wt + phi)

The Attempt at a Solution



At t = 0, q = 0;
Thus,
0 = Q cos(phi),
which implies Q = 0.

So the maximum charge is 0.

However this is not right.
Any help please?
The other possibility (the correct one) is that cos(phi)=0.

Try differentiating q(t) and use the other information given in the problem.
 
Okay, so

i = dq/dt = -wq sin(wt + phi)

Plugging in,
since w = 1 / sqrt(LC)
2.14 A = Q (-1 / sqrt(2.93 mH * 3.21 microF)) sin(phi)

However I'm not sure what phi is. In fact, I'm not quite sure specifically what phi is. I know it is the phase difference. But in this case, the phase difference between what?

Thanks so much.
 
The phase phi simply tells you where in the cycle you're starting.

With the information you're given, you can solve for phi. First, you know cos(phi)=0, so phi=pi/2 or -pi/2. From your equation for the current, you can figure out which of the two possibilities is the correct one.
 
Okay. I understand that one. Now here's the next part;

(b) At what earliest time t > 0 is the rate at which energy is stored in the capacitor greatest?

So, I know that U = q^2 / 2C
So U = (Q^2)(sin^2(wt)) / (2C)

deriving this (to find the "rate at which energy is stored"), we get

dU/dt = (Q^2)(w)(sin(wt))(cos(wt)) / C

The maximum occurs when sin(wt)cos(wt) is at a max, which is when wt = pi/4

So, wt = pi/4 implies that the time when the rate at which energy is stored in the capacitor is greatest is
t = (pi/4)(1/w)
plugging in values, I get
t = 7.61686 E-5 seconds

However, this is incorrect.
See my flaw anywhere?
Thanks!
 
Other than perhaps the number of significant figures, it looks right to me.
 
Going back to before, why is it that we know cos(phi) = 0?
 

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