##\left|L(f_{n}, P) - L(f,P)\right| < \epsilon##

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The discussion focuses on proving that if a sequence of functions \( f_n \) converges uniformly to a function \( f \) on the interval \([a,b]\), and each \( f_n \) is integrable, then for any \( \epsilon > 0 \), there exists a partition \( P \) and a natural number \( N \) such that the difference between the lower sums \( L(f_n, P) \) and \( L(f, P) \) is less than \( \epsilon \). Participants explore bounding the differences between the infimums \( m_k \) and \( m_k' \) of the functions over the partition intervals, suggesting that uniform convergence allows for such bounds. The triangle inequality is proposed as a method to establish the desired result, emphasizing the need to show that the differences can be made arbitrarily small. The conversation confirms that uniform convergence indeed implies the necessary bounds on the infimums, leading to the conclusion that the proof can be completed.
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Homework Statement


Suppose that ##f_{n} \rightarrow f## uniformly on [a,b] and that each ##f_{n}## is integrable on [a,b]. Show that given ##\epsilon > 0##, there exists a partition ##P## and a natural number ##N## such that ##\left|L(f_{n}, P) - L(f,P)\right| < \epsilon##.

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The Attempt at a Solution


I let P be a partition. And
$$m_{k} = inf\{f(x) : x \in [x_{k-1},x_{k}\}$$
$$m_{k}^{'} = inf\{f_{n}(x): x \in [x_{k-1}, x_{k}]\}$$
I am thinking maybe I can say ##|m_{k} - m_{k}^{'}| \leq \frac{\epsilon}{b - a}##, but i do not really know how to justify it. formally anyway


 
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Euklidian-Space said:

Homework Statement


Suppose that ##f_{n} \rightarrow f## uniformly on [a,b] and that each ##f_{n}## is integrable on [a,b]. Show that given ##\epsilon > 0##, there exists a partition ##P## and a natural number ##N## such that ##\left|L(f_{n}, P) - L(f,P)\right| < \epsilon##.

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The Attempt at a Solution


I let P be a partition. And
$$m_{k} = inf\{f(x) : x \in [x_{k-1},x_{k}\}$$
$$m_{k}^{'} = inf\{f_{n}(x): x \in [x_{k-1}, x_{k}]\}$$
I am thinking maybe I can say ##|m_{k} - m_{k}^{'}| \leq \frac{\epsilon}{b - a}##, but i do not really know how to justify it. formally anyway
Can you refresh our memory as to what L in L(f, P) represents? Is it Lebesgue integral?
 
Mark44 said:
Can you refresh our memory as to what L in L(f, P) represents? Is it Lebesgue integral?
oh my bad. L(f,p) is the lower sum of the Reimann integral

$$L(f,P) = \sum_{k = 1}^{n} m_{k} (x_{k} - x_{k - 1})$$
 
Just a thought, use the triangle inequality, and say the sum is ##< \frac{\varepsilon}{2} + \frac{\varepsilon}{2}## using the information given.
 
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Zondrina said:
Just a thought, use the triangle inequality, and say the sum is ##< \frac{\varepsilon}{2} + \frac{\varepsilon}{2}## using the information given.
what exactly is less than ##\epsilon/2##? I was thinking something like...

$$|L(f_{n},P) - L(f,p)| = |\sum_{k = 1}^{n} m_{k}^{'}(x_{k} - x_{k - 1}) - \sum_{k = 1}^{n} m_{k} (x_{k} - x_{k - 1}|$$

we then have
$$\sum_{k = 1}^{n} m_{k}^{'} - m_{k} (x_{k} - x_{k - 1})$$

now if i can bound ##|m_{k}^{'} - m_{k}## by epsilon some how then i think that would work?
 
If you can guarantee that ##|f_n(x) - f(x)|<\varepsilon## for all ##x##, does this imply some bound on ##|m_k - m_k'|##?
 
micromass said:
If you can guarantee that ##|f_n(x) - f(x)|<\varepsilon## for all ##x##, does this imply some bound on ##|m_k - m_k'|##?

well since ##m_{k}## and ##m_{k}^{'}## are the infs they are definitely bounded by ##\epsilon## if ##|f_n(x) - f(x)|<\varepsilon## for all ##x##; which is true because we have uniform convergence