Lens calculation problem (Optics)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the appropriate focal length for a lens to achieve a specific cone beam angle from an LED emitter in a photography light source setup. Participants explore various methods for determining focal length, including angle of view and numerical aperture, while also considering practical aspects of LED illumination and lens selection.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the focal length using the angle of view formula, arriving at 0.7 mm, but questions its reasonableness.
  • Another participant attempts to calculate focal length via numerical aperture, resulting in a value of 10.8 mm, which they also find larger than expected.
  • A later reply suggests a focal length of 1.4 mm, indicating a possible correction to the previous calculations.
  • One participant raises questions about the initial cone angle illumination from the emitter and suggests alternatives like using a diffuser plate or mounting LEDs on a curved surface.
  • Another participant comments on the brightness of LEDs in general, expressing concerns about their effectiveness for reading purposes.
  • One participant notes the emitter's wide viewing angle of 120 degrees and discusses the need to narrow it to 40 degrees for effective illumination, while considering the possibility of adjustable angles.
  • Another participant proposes using a large Fresnel lens to experiment with beam divergence by adjusting the spacing between the lens and LEDs.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various calculations and methods for determining focal length, but there is no consensus on the correct approach or final value. Multiple competing views on the effectiveness of LEDs and lens configurations remain present.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need for practical experimentation and the challenges of sourcing inexpensive lenses, indicating limitations in their calculations and assumptions about LED performance.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in optics, LED technology, and photography lighting solutions, particularly those exploring custom lens designs and configurations for specific illumination needs.

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I'm building a light source for photography and I'm trying to calculate the focal length for a lens that will give me a 40 degree (full width) cone beam from a LED emitter.
See attached image.
[PLAIN]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2301/LEDOpticDrawing.jpg

The emitter itself measures about 0.5 x 0.5 mm and sits inside a 5.5 mm x 5.5 mm package. The plan is to mount plano convex lenses on top of an array of these emitters. I'm out of my element here and clearly in need of help :-). This is what I've tried...

First I tried to calculate using angle of view:
Edim is the emitter size: 0.5 mm
f is focal length
Beam angle = 2 * arctan(Edim/(2 * f) * rad
Solving for f, this gives a focal length of 0.7 mm. The result looks unreasonable. If I try to calculate what such a lens would look like using the formula 1/f = (n – 1)/R, I get a 9 mm thick 5.5 mm dia lens.


Next I tried to get to focal length via numerical aperture:
D is lens diameter: 5.5 mm
f is focal length
n is refractive index: 1.585 (polycarbonate)
Beam angle = arcsine( (2 * (D/f)) / n) * rad
Solving for f, this gives a focal length of 10.8 mm. Can this be correct? Frankly, it seems larger than I expected.
Does the NA formula assume that the emitter is positioned at the focus point? How can I take the distance from the emitter to the lens into the formula? I will need to mount the lens very close to the emitter, ideally 1.4 mm from the actual emitter surface.

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I think I made a silly mistake. Looks like the right answer to the above is a focal length of 1.4 mm.
 
I guess I'm a little confused by your question- what is the cone angle illumination from the emitter without your lens on top- most LEDs come with a lens already mounted to the chip? And how even does your illumination need to be? Can you simply get some LED lights and stick a diffuser plate on them (or have it bounce off a diffuser plate)? If it's an array of LEDs, can't you simply mount them on a curved surface to generate a spreading beam?
 
Are LEDs bright enough? They are pretty disappointing in the home for reading, even.
 
The emitter I plan to use has a 'viewing angle' of 120 degrees. The viewing angle is defined as 2\theta1/2, or 50% power angle. This is basically a lambertian emitter.

120 degrees is too wide. I want to narrow it into a 40 degree viewing angle. Light outside the camera field of view is lost in the sense that it is not contributing the the illumination of the subject or scene. 40 degrees is a working theory, it may be that it is better to have a slightly wider light.
(Ideally, I would want to be able to adjust the angle.)

I'll need to experiment a bit, but I wanted to have a sensible starting point. Buying small lenses for testing seems very expensive. I have not found a source for small inexpensive plastic lenses.

BTW, there are several reasons why I'm using this particular type of emitter instead of using the typical narrow beam 3 or 5 mm round LEDs. These are RGB emitters so I'm able to adjust the color temperature or the emitted light. If I don't use a multi-die emitter, I get problems with the color mixing. This type of emitters also have lower thermal resistance so they can be driven at higher power and brightness.
 
Most likely, you can get a large Fresnel lens (like 5" x 7" or even larger) and play with the spacing between the lens and LEDs until you are happy with the result.

http://www.andrewdavidson.com/articles/led/

By holding the Fresnel lens close to the LED, you will "tighten" the beam divergence rather than focus it.
 

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