Lenz's law: determining current direction

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The discussion revolves around determining the direction of current flow in a metal loop as it interacts with a magnetic field, specifically through the application of Lenz's law and related concepts. The scope includes theoretical explanations and reasoning based on electromagnetic principles.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests clarification on how to determine the direction of current flow in a loop within a magnetic field.
  • Another participant suggests using the Lorentz force law to analyze the force on electrons in the loop.
  • A different participant presents multiple approaches, including energy conservation and Lenz's law, to explain that the current in the loop is clockwise as it enters the magnetic field.
  • This participant argues that the current must oppose the change in magnetic flux, leading to a clockwise direction based on the right-hand rule.
  • There is a mention of the motor effect and how it relates to the direction of current and forces acting on the loop.
  • A later reply asks if the previous explanations were helpful, indicating ongoing engagement with the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple methods and reasoning for determining the current direction, but there is no consensus on a single approach. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method to explain the phenomenon.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference different rules and principles (e.g., Fleming's left-hand rule, right-hand grip rule) without resolving which is the most appropriate or universally accepted in this context.

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I a can't seem to find out how to determine the direction the current will flow in... I would really appreciate an explanation.


Thanks!
 
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Use the Lorentz force law to determine the direction of the force on the mobile electrons within the metal loop.
 
There are many ways to do this. First, here's one based directly on energy conservation.

As the leading side - call it "L" - of the loop enters the field an emf is induced in the loop so there will be a current in the loop, since it is a closed circuit. Thus L will be a current-carrying conductor in a magnetic field, and will therefore experience a 'motor effect' (or magnetic Lorentz) force. This must be to the left, opposing whatever agency is pushing the loop to the right. [If the motor effect force were to the right, the loop would accelerate to the right on its own accord, gaining both kinetic energy and internal energy due to joule heating - both 'for free'.]

Since the field is out of the page and the motor effect force is to the left, the current in L must be downwards (Fleming's left hand motor rule), so the sense of current in the loop is clockwise.

Now here's another way of using Lenz's law… As the loop enters the field, the flux linking the loop changes from zero to some value out of the page. The current in the loop must produce an flux opposing this change in flux, that is INTO the page. Using the right hand grip or corkscrew rule, this means the current in the loop is clockwise.

OR use CAF123's method!

If you've followed this, you should be able to show for yourself that there's no current when the whole loop is in the field, even though it's moving, and that the current is in the opposite sense when only the trailing edge of the loop is still in the field.
 
tdod: Did these explanations help?
 
another post and runner LOL

Dave
 

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