Light travels only in one direction material?

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The discussion revolves around the possibility of materials that allow light to travel in only one direction, drawing parallels to electrical diodes. Participants explore concepts related to optics, including one-way mirrors, optical isolators, and polarizers, while examining the feasibility of achieving a significant asymmetry in light transmission and reflection.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about materials that would allow light to pass in one direction, similar to how diodes function in electricity.
  • One participant mentions one-way mirrors, noting that their effectiveness relies on the darkness of the room behind them, suggesting no inherent asymmetry in their design.
  • Another participant clarifies that one-way mirrors do not actually reflect light in one direction but rather allow light to pass through based on external conditions.
  • Some participants discuss optical isolators, which utilize polarizing and rotating light polarization to direct light, but clarify that these devices absorb light rather than reflect it back.
  • There is mention of the theoretical concept of a true one-way mirror and its implications, including the idea of a perpetual motion machine.
  • One participant proposes that a circular polarizer above a mirror could achieve the desired effect of allowing light to pass in one direction while reflecting it back, although this is met with skepticism regarding the presence of the mirror blocking light.
  • References to asymmetric light propagation and nonlinear materials are introduced, suggesting potential avenues for further exploration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of achieving a true one-way light transmission system. While some suggest potential solutions, others challenge the practicality and inherent limitations of existing materials and designs.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that achieving a perfect one-way light transmission is likely impossible, and discussions include various assumptions about the nature of light and the materials involved. The effectiveness of proposed solutions may depend on specific configurations and conditions.

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I would like to know if their are any materials that would allow light to pass in only one direction, In electricity we have diode, which will allow electricity to pass in only one direction, in optics how do we reflect light from one side and allow light from the other side to pass through?
 
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jms4 said:
I would like to know if their are any materials that would allow light to pass in only one direction, In electricity we have diode, which will allow electricity to pass in only one direction, in optics how do we reflect light from one side and allow light from the other side to pass through?
Ever hear of a one-way mirror?
 
A one-way mirror is one way only because the room on the back side is darkened. There is no asymmetry in the ability of a partially silvered mirror to pass light in one direction or the other.
 
jbriggs444 said:
A one-way mirror is one way only because the room on the back side is darkened. There is no asymmetry in the ability of a partially silvered mirror to pass light in one direction or the other.
Oh. I knew it was much more effective if the one room was much darker but I thought there was SOME asymmetry. Wrong again, huh? Well, thanks for the correction.
 
It depends what you mean by 'direction'.
It's easy to make filters that 'polarize' light, they are often used in cameras and sunglasses,
It cuts down on a thing known as 'glare', spots of intense light are reduced, so the received image as a whole has less contrasts
 
Optic isolator, widely used in fiber optic systems, is a directional device made based on polarizing and rotating light polarization. If there's material with polarizing surfaces, its proper bulk might be the material you are asking?
 
physmath said:
Optic isolator, widely used in fiber optic systems, is a directional device made based on polarizing and rotating light polarization. If there's material with polarizing surfaces, its proper bulk might be the material you are asking?

I have a suspicion that you couldn't make a domestic mirror that way because it would only work on axis.
 
To be clear, the optical isolator based on Faraday rotation will absorb light going in the "wrong" direction, not reflect it. It gets absorbed in the polarizers. If you could reflect the light in one direction only, you would have a Maxwell's demon.
 
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Khashishi said:
To be clear, the optical isolator based on Faraday rotation will absorb light going in the "wrong" direction, not reflect it. It gets absorbed in the polarizers. If you could reflect the light in one direction only, you would have a Maxwell's demon.
There is a microwave equivalent to the optometrist isolator and that is the Circulator and Isolator - which again dump power from one direction into a load.
 
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Thank you all for your replies,
First, let me tell the whole thing,
1. I need a material which would allow light to only pass in one direction
2. In one side it would allow the light to pass through
3. In the other side, it should reflect the light back, not absorb it,

One way mirror is a semi reflecting mirror which allows 50% of the light to pass through and allows the other 50% to reflect back, I need something like at-least 90-10%, which allows 90% to pass through and reflects 10% back, ideal(100%) is not possible, so something like around 80-90% would be fine.
 
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You want the impossible. Do you see how a true one way mirror could be used to build a perpetual motion machine?
 
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jms4 said:
One way mirror is a semi reflecting mirror which allows 50% of the light to pass through and allows the other 50% to reflect back,
Actually, it's not like that in practice. A 'One way mirror' that you see in use consists of a pattern (strips, usually) of normal mirror with alternate gaps. The way it works relies on the fact that the (observation) room, behind is kept dark so that all the 'observed' can see is the bright reflections. There is no reflecting surface on the observer's side so they just see the light admitted through the gaps. The ratio of thicknesses of mirror strips to gaps can be what you want. If you choose 10% 90% ratio then you will get 10% back and it will pass 90%. But 90% of the light from behind the screen will get through in the other direction, through the holes. Nothing more is possible, as Khashishi has said.
 
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jms4 said:
Thank you all for your replies,
First, let me tell the whole thing,
1. I need a material which would allow light to only pass in one direction
2. In one side it would allow the light to pass through
3. In the other side, it should reflect the light back, not absorb it,

One way mirror is a semi reflecting mirror which allows 50% of the light to pass through and allows the other 50% to reflect back, I need something like at-least 90-10%, which allows 90% to pass through and reflects 10% back, ideal(100%) is not possible, so something like around 80-90% would be fine.
I think a circular polariser will do this, if located above a mirror. This is because the reflected light is opposite-hand polarisation and is reflected from the polariser.
 
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tech99 said:
I think a circular polariser will do this, if located above a mirror. This is because the reflected light is opposite-hand polarisation and is reflected from the polariser.

From your description, there seems to be a mirror in the way which would stop any light getting through in one direction (?).
 
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sophiecentaur said:
From your description, there seems to be a mirror in the way which would stop any light getting through in one direction (?).
Yes, agree.
 

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