Limit Max Voltage to Mic Input: Reduce Signal Amplitude

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The discussion revolves around methods to limit the maximum voltage sent to a microphone input, specifically addressing issues related to signal amplitude and unwanted 60 Hz noise interference. Participants explore potential solutions involving filtering and circuit design, with a focus on maintaining the integrity of the desired audio signal while mitigating noise.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a method to reduce a 100 mV signal to a fluctuating 1 mV signal, indicating a need to ignore the higher amplitude while capturing fluctuations.
  • Another participant suggests using a series capacitor to block the DC bias in the signal, although there is clarification that the 100 mV is part of the AC signal.
  • Concerns are raised about the 60 Hz mains interference affecting the preamp circuit, with one participant warning that connecting the circuit as is could damage the soundcard.
  • A suggestion is made to use a common-mode choke to attenuate common-mode noise while allowing the differential signal to pass, particularly if the noise is present on both input lines.
  • Participants discuss the potential for using a high-pass filter to eliminate the 60 Hz noise if the desired signal is significantly higher in frequency.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the roles of the mic and preamp, with one participant emphasizing that the mic is the source of the signal being amplified.
  • Another participant proposes using a differential amplifier to address the 60 Hz noise, recommending differential or instrumentation op-amps for their high common-mode rejection ratio.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the best approach to filter out the 60 Hz noise and limit the signal amplitude. There is no consensus on a single solution, as multiple methods are proposed and debated.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the complexity of filtering out 60 Hz noise in audio applications and the importance of identifying the source of the interference. There are also discussions about the potential risks to equipment if the circuit is not properly configured.

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I need a way to limit the maximum voltage that goes to mic input, for e.g. if the amplitude of the signal is 100mV and fluctuates between 100mV and 100.1mV I need the signal going to the mic to be 1mV fluctuating between 1 and 1.1mV. So there is a minimum signal amplitude(about 100mV) that needs to be ignored completely(or reduced) and the fluctuation at the peak of the signal that needs to be recorded.
 
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If I'm reading you right, you have a signal with a 100 mV DC bias. You can easily block this by including a series capacitor on the input to the amplifier.
 
negitron said:
If I'm reading you right, you have a signal with a 100 mV DC bias. You can easily block this by including a series capacitor on the input to the amplifier.

the 100mV is part of the signal its AC.
 
Ah. Sometimes information is important. Perhaps you could give us some.
 
negitron said:
Ah. Sometimes information is important. Perhaps you could give us some.

the signal going to the mic is from a preamp circuit that's picking up a lot of 60hz mains(the 100mV)if I hook it up as it is it might burn my soundcard.
 
Much better. Also, a tough problem--60 Hz hum is notoriously difficult to filter out, particularly in audio applications. If the noise is common mode, you can try a common-mode choke--this will attenuate any common-mode noise (that is, noise which is present on both input lines in phase) but allow differential signal to pass unimpeded.

If your signal is much higher than 60 Hz (say a few hundred Hz or more), you might be able to filter it out with a high-pass filter, the design of which depends on the precise nature of the signal you wish to capture.

It is also advisable to go over your setup and look for potential connection issues, such as damaged, frayed or poorly-constructed interconnect cables, ground loops and proper shielding. Try to narrow down the source of the hum as much as possible; this will allow you deal with the problem at the sources, rather than try to band-aid it with a filter.
 
m718 said:
the signal going to the mic is from a preamp circuit that's picking up a lot of 60hz mains(the 100mV)if I hook it up as it is it might burn my soundcard.

Just a small nit (negitron has this thread well in hand). There is no signal that goes from the preamp to the mic. The mic is the source of the signal that the preamp picks up and amplifies. There might be a bootstrap voltage/signal sent to the mic, but that would appear to be beyond the scope of this thread.
 
berkeman said:
Just a small nit (negitron has this thread well in hand). There is no signal that goes from the preamp to the mic. The mic is the source of the signal that the preamp picks up and amplifies. There might be a bootstrap voltage/signal sent to the mic, but that would appear to be beyond the scope of this thread.

I meant mic input.
 
m718 said:
I meant mic input.

So where is the 60Hz being picked up? At the mic or the preamp.
If you use a differential amplifier you should be able to get rid of the 60Hz. There are lots of differential op amps which have high common mode rejection ration at 60Hz.
Try differential or instrumentation op amps. Should work without much headache.
 

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