Limits in multivariable calculus

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the limit of the expression sin(x^3 + y^3) / (x + y) as (x,y) approaches (0,0), within the context of multivariable calculus. Participants explore various methods, including polar coordinates and algebraic factorization, to determine if the limit exists.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using polar coordinates to simplify the limit expression and question the validity of their manipulations. Others suggest using algebraic factorization and small angle approximations. There is also inquiry into the implications of the expression being in the form 0/0 along certain paths.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing alternative approaches and questioning the correctness of expressions derived from their calculations. Some express confusion regarding the implications of encountering the 0/0 form along specific lines and how that affects the limit evaluation.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the limit-point (0,0) presents a 0/0 form, which raises questions about the validity of the limit evaluation. There is also mention of needing to consider only paths within the domain of the function when evaluating limits.

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1. Find if the limit exist: sin (x^3 + y^3) / (x + y)
(x,y)-> (0,0)
So I am starting solving this by using polar coordinates form and I get to lim= sin r^3 ( cos^3θ + sin^3θ) / r ( cosθ + sinθ) = lim r^2 ( cos^2Θ + sin^2Θ) My question is ok so far and how should I procceed from now on?
 
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An alternative (and, I suspect, easier) approach is to use the factorisation ##x^3+y^3=(x+y)(x^2-xy+y^2)## together with the small angle approximation ##\lim_{\theta\to 0}\frac{\sin\theta}\theta=1##.
 
That's a good solution indeed thanks a lot but still I am interested to see how my way will go on? If I have r^2( cos^2θ + sin^2θ) can I say that the () is zero or should I do something more? Thanks in advance
 
Chris18 said:
1. Find if the limit exist: sin (x^3 + y^3) / (x + y)
(x,y)-> (0,0)
So I am starting solving this by using polar coordinates form and I get to lim= sin r^3 ( cos^3θ + sin^3θ) / r ( cosθ + sinθ) = lim r^2 ( cos^2Θ + sin^2Θ) My question is ok so far and how should I procceed from now on?
No: ##(\cos^3 \theta + \sin^3 \theta) / (\cos \theta + \sin \theta) \neq \cos^2 \theta + \sin^2 \theta##.
 
Chris18 said:
That's a good solution indeed thanks a lot but still I am interested to see how my way will go on? If I have r^2( cos^2θ + sin^2θ) can I say that the () is zero or should I do something more? Thanks in advance
As @Ray Vickson pointed out, your expression is not correct.
Instead we have:
$$\frac{\cos^3 \theta + \sin^3 \theta}{\cos \theta + \sin \theta} = \cos^2 \theta - \cos\theta\sin\theta + \sin^2 \theta = 1 - \frac 12 \sin\theta$$
which is effectively what @andrewkirk suggested.

It is slightly different from yours, but the following argument is the same.
We can see that whatever ##\theta## is, the absolute value of the expression is less than or equal to 3/2.
When we multiply it by ##r^2## the result will go to zero when r does, as does the sine that is taken subsequently.
Therefore the limit exists and is 0.
 
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I like Serena said:
As @Ray Vickson pointed out, your expression is not correct.
Instead we have:
$$\frac{\cos^3 \theta + \sin^3 \theta}{\cos \theta + \sin \theta} = \cos^2 \theta - \cos\theta\sin\theta + \sin^2 \theta = 1 - \frac 12 \sin\theta$$
which is effectively what @andrewkirk suggested.

It is slightly different from yours, but the following argument is the same.
We can see that whatever ##\theta## is, the absolute value of the expression is less than or equal to 3/2.
When we multiply it by ##r^2## the result will go to zero when r does.
Therefore the limit exists and is 0.

Yes, indeed----almost. The function has the form 0/0 along the line ##y = -x##. I don't know whether that invalidates the whole concept of a limit, since when we take a limit in 2 dimensions we are supposed to allow ##(x,y) \to (0,0)## and any direction or along any curve. The limit-point (0,0) itself is not a problem, even though it, too, gives 0/0. I am genuinely puzzled by this question.
 
Ray Vickson said:
Yes, indeed----almost. The function has the form 0/0 along the line ##y = -x##. I don't know whether that invalidates the whole concept of a limit, since when we take a limit in 2 dimensions we are supposed to allow ##(x,y) \to (0,0)## and any direction or along any curve. The limit-point (0,0) itself is not a problem, even though it, too, gives 0/0. I am genuinely puzzled by this question.
Since those points are not part of the domain of the function, they do not participate in the evaluation of the limit do they?
We would only pick directions or curves that are inside the domain.
 

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