Limits of Integration Variable

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the limits of integration in definite integrals, particularly focusing on how to express primitives (antiderivatives) when varying the limits. Participants explore the implications of placing the variable in the limit superior versus the limit inferior, with specific reference to the Dirac delta function and general functions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that the integral of the Dirac delta function from negative infinity to positive infinity equals one and discusses expressing the primitive through the limit superior.
  • Another participant expresses confusion regarding whether the question pertains to a generic function or specifically the Dirac delta function, while reiterating the expression for the primitive with the limit superior.
  • A participant mentions that when dealing with definite integrals, the variable can be placed in the limit superior, questioning if a similar expression can be formed with the variable in the limit inferior.
  • Another participant suggests that placing the variable in the limit inferior likely does not yield the same expression as when placed in the limit superior, indicating a negative relationship between the two forms.
  • There is a suggestion that the dummy variable in the integral should be distinct from the variable of integration to avoid confusion.
  • Participants discuss the need to clarify the notation used for the integrals to prevent misidentification of expressions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct expressions for primitives when varying the limits of integration. There is no consensus on how to handle the variable in the limit inferior, and confusion remains regarding the implications of using the same variable in both limits.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions about the definitions and assumptions related to the functions being discussed, particularly regarding the Dirac delta function and the nature of the integrals. The discussion also highlights the importance of clear notation in mathematical expressions.

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Knowing that the limits of integration of a any function, for example:
\int_{-\infty}^{+\infty}\delta (x)dx=1
I know that's correct call your primitive through the limit superior as a variable, so
H(x)=\int_{-\infty}^{x}\delta (x)dx
But, and if I want to describe your primitive through the limit inferior as a variable? Will be so:
H(x)=\int_{-x}^{+\infty}\delta (x)dx
or:
H(x)=\int_{+x}^{+\infty}\delta (x)dx
or other?
 
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Jhenrique said:
Knowing that the limits of integration of a any function, for example:
\int_{-\infty}^{+\infty}\delta (x)dx=1
I am having a hard time understanding what you're saying and what you're asking. I can't tell if you're asking about some generic function whose integral is 1, or if your question is about the Dirac delta function (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirac_delta_function).

Jhenrique said:
I know that's correct call your primitive through the limit superior as a variable, so
H(x)=\int_{-\infty}^{x}\delta (x)dx
Here H is a function of x. Clearly the value of H(x) is somewhere between 0 and 1.
Jhenrique said:
But, and if I want to describe your primitive through the limit inferior as a variable? Will be so:
H(x)=\int_{-x}^{+\infty}\delta (x)dx
or:
H(x)=\int_{+x}^{+\infty}\delta (x)dx
or other?
 
I saw that when you have a definite integral of a function f(x), you can to express the primitive, F(x), placing the variable x in limit superior of integral:
F(x)=\int_{x_{0}}^{x}f(x)dx
It's known... So I ask if F(x) can be equal to this too:
F(x)=\int_{x}^{x_{1}}f(x)dx
I ask which is the correct expression to F(x) when the variable x is placed in limit inferior.
 
Jhenrique said:
I saw that when you have a definite integral of a function f(x), you can to express the primitive, F(x), placing the variable x in limit superior of integral:
F(x)=\int_{x_{0}}^{x}f(x)dx
It's known... So I ask if F(x) can be equal to this too:
F(x)=\int_{x}^{x_{1}}f(x)dx
Probably not.
$$\int_x^{x_1}f(x)dx = -\int_{x_1}^x f(x)dx$$
Does that look the same as the first one you defined as F(x) above?
Jhenrique said:
I ask which is the correct expression to F(x) when the variable x is placed in limit inferior.

Two things:
1. The integrals you wrote are functions of x. The dummy variable in the integral should be some other variable, such as t. In other words, your first integral probably should be written like this:
$$F(x) = \int_{x_0}^x f(t)dt$$
2. You should identify two different things with the same letter. In other words, the two integrals you wrote should not both be identified as F(x).
 

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